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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7996695" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Yeah, well, my point [USER=5834]@Celtavian[/USER] was that I would differentiate my critique if I were you. Some of your points relate to the systems, others to the adventure. Conflating the two does noone any favors <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Especially when you say you find 5E easy/boring as a response to Dave stating he has no problems challenging his players.</p><p></p><p>You might be both right. Yes, most (all?) adventures become child's play IMO at higher levels (when the players spend time minmaxing all the toys given to them, that 5E doesn't give to the monsters). No, I'm still easily capable of TPK:ing even the most blinged out party, regardless of edition, options, or variants. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite29" alt=":devilish:" title="Devil :devilish:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":devilish:" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>At the same time, yes, I've found PF2 fiendishly difficult at times. But that relates to official adventures. If I created that encounter myself, I have only myself to blame.</p><p></p><p>I could obviously run a campaign where heroes <em>never</em> face monsters of their own level, let alone higher levels. That experience I'm sure would feel much more like default 5E. (Not identical, mind you. Just "more like")</p><p></p><p>Cheerio</p><p></p><p>tl;dr: I guess 5E adventures take an easy system and make it easier, while PF2 scenarios takes a hard system and make it harder. So if PF2 comes across as more challenging, whose "fault" is that? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7996695, member: 12731"] Yeah, well, my point [USER=5834]@Celtavian[/USER] was that I would differentiate my critique if I were you. Some of your points relate to the systems, others to the adventure. Conflating the two does noone any favors :) Especially when you say you find 5E easy/boring as a response to Dave stating he has no problems challenging his players. You might be both right. Yes, most (all?) adventures become child's play IMO at higher levels (when the players spend time minmaxing all the toys given to them, that 5E doesn't give to the monsters). No, I'm still easily capable of TPK:ing even the most blinged out party, regardless of edition, options, or variants. :devilish: :p At the same time, yes, I've found PF2 fiendishly difficult at times. But that relates to official adventures. If I created that encounter myself, I have only myself to blame. I could obviously run a campaign where heroes [I]never[/I] face monsters of their own level, let alone higher levels. That experience I'm sure would feel much more like default 5E. (Not identical, mind you. Just "more like") Cheerio tl;dr: I guess 5E adventures take an easy system and make it easier, while PF2 scenarios takes a hard system and make it harder. So if PF2 comes across as more challenging, whose "fault" is that? ;) [/QUOTE]
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