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<blockquote data-quote="Ilja" data-source="post: 4846955" data-attributes="member: 84300">I've never liked the idea of NPC classes. I think the power of a person should be primarily based on their experience and their attributes. I've never once understood the idea of having NPC classes. While I understand that there may be game balance issues, I don't have a problem with the town guard being 1st level fighters instead of 1st level warriors. The difference is basically a single hit point and a single feat, and you shouldn't go mess with them anyway. Not to talk about the commoner...The typical commoner is the hard-working peasant. Still, the peasant who has been defending his home against goblins and wolves, worked hard on the fields with scythe in hand, and survived disease and starvation - still gets equal HD, attack bonus, and fortitude saves as the mage who has lived his life in a library. If I'd do a peasant class, I'd give it good fort, d8 hit points, and medium BAB, and 4 skill points/level.However, I'm not only creating this to whine. I actually created a playable, extremely flexible version of the Expert class. I'm gonna use this for most of my non-combat non-spell npcs, from the peasant to the merchant to the blacksmith to the librarian. I'll also use it heavily in multiclassed NPC's - I've never understood why a general should be something like Ftr 8 - that doesn't give him enough skill points to learn anything about important matters for generals - knowledge of warfare, diplomacy, riding and so on. Throw in a level or two of Expert and it's fixed!So, here's the class, hope you like it:Hit Dice: d8.Class Skills: Craft (Int) and Proffession (Vis). In addition, the expert may choose up to 10 + Intelligence Modifier additional skills, that are his class skills. He may choose Knowledge (All, taken individually) for a &quot;price&quot; of three class skills.Skill points: 8 + IntStarting Equipment: 6t4x10 gp.Vapen- och pansarträning: An expert is proficient with all simple weapons and two light or one-handed martial weapons They are also proficient with light and medium armor but not with shields.[CODE]Level&nbsp; &nbsp; BaB&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Good&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bad&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Save&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Saves1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; Skill Focus, Favored by All2&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat5&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; Expert Professional6&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; Skill Mastery7&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; Skill Focus8&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; Reputation10&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat11&nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; Extended Class Skills12&nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; Skill Focus14&nbsp; &nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; +12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat17&nbsp; &nbsp; +12&nbsp; &nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; Skill Mastery18&nbsp; &nbsp; +13&nbsp; &nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; +14&nbsp; &nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; Skill Focus20&nbsp; &nbsp; +15&nbsp; &nbsp; +12&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; [/CODE]Favored by All: Expert can be choosen as a favored class by any character, replacing another favored class.Saving Throws: The expert may choose either Reflex, Fortitude, or Will as their primary save. This follows the Good Save column, while the others follow the Bad Save column.Skill focus: On the first level and every six levels thereafter, the expert gains a Skill Focus of his choice as a bonus feat.Bonus Feat: On fourth level and every six levels thereafter, the expert gains a bonus feat.Expert Professional: At level 5, the Expert may choose a single Craft, Profession, Perform, or Knowledge skill. Once per day, he may add his class level to a check against this skill. Skill Mastery: Works like the Rogue's ability.Reputation: The expert may add half his level to checks towards Diplomacy and Bluff when dealing with others of his profession (anyone who has at least 4 ranks, or 1 rank and has it as a class skill, in a skill that the Expert has at least 4 ranks in).Extended Class Skills: The expert gets to choose an additional number of class skills equal to his intelligence score.=========What do you think? Is it playable (mostly as a multi-class option)? Is it too good with all these skills? Too bad, due to being nearly useless in combat? I understand that it will sneak better than a rogue (if it wants too) but it does lack the combat abilities of a rogue (and trapfinding, though I have that as a feat as a house rule) which I think makes up for the higher skill possibilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ilja, post: 4846955, member: 84300"] I've never liked the idea of NPC classes. I think the power of a person should be primarily based on their experience and their attributes. I've never once understood the idea of having NPC classes. While I understand that there may be game balance issues, I don't have a problem with the town guard being 1st level fighters instead of 1st level warriors. The difference is basically a single hit point and a single feat, and you shouldn't go mess with them anyway. Not to talk about the commoner... The typical commoner is the hard-working peasant. Still, the peasant who has been defending his home against goblins and wolves, worked hard on the fields with scythe in hand, and survived disease and starvation - still gets equal HD, attack bonus, and fortitude saves as the mage who has lived his life in a library. If I'd do a peasant class, I'd give it good fort, d8 hit points, and medium BAB, and 4 skill points/level. However, I'm not only creating this to whine. I actually created a playable, extremely flexible version of the Expert class. I'm gonna use this for most of my non-combat non-spell npcs, from the peasant to the merchant to the blacksmith to the librarian. I'll also use it heavily in multiclassed NPC's - I've never understood why a general should be something like Ftr 8 - that doesn't give him enough skill points to learn anything about important matters for generals - knowledge of warfare, diplomacy, riding and so on. Throw in a level or two of Expert and it's fixed! So, here's the class, hope you like it: Hit Dice: d8. Class Skills: Craft (Int) and Proffession (Vis). In addition, the expert may choose up to 10 + Intelligence Modifier additional skills, that are his class skills. He may choose Knowledge (All, taken individually) for a "price" of three class skills. Skill points: 8 + Int Starting Equipment: 6t4x10 gp. Vapen- och pansarträning: An expert is proficient with all simple weapons and two light or one-handed martial weapons They are also proficient with light and medium armor but not with shields. [CODE] Level BaB Good Bad Save Saves 1 0 +2 +0 Skill Focus, Favored by All 2 +1 +3 +0 3 +2 +3 +1 4 +3 +4 +1 Bonus Feat 5 +3 +4 +1 Expert Professional 6 +4 +5 +2 Skill Mastery 7 +5 +5 +2 Skill Focus 8 +6 +6 +2 9 +6 +6 +3 Reputation 10 +7 +7 +3 Bonus Feat 11 +8 +7 +3 Extended Class Skills 12 +9 +8 +4 13 +9 +8 +4 Skill Focus 14 +10 +9 +4 15 +11 +9 +5 16 +12 +10 +5 Bonus Feat 17 +12 +10 +5 Skill Mastery 18 +13 +11 +6 19 +14 +11 +6 Skill Focus 20 +15 +12 +6 [/CODE] Favored by All: Expert can be choosen as a favored class by any character, replacing another favored class. Saving Throws: The expert may choose either Reflex, Fortitude, or Will as their primary save. This follows the Good Save column, while the others follow the Bad Save column. Skill focus: On the first level and every six levels thereafter, the expert gains a Skill Focus of his choice as a bonus feat. Bonus Feat: On fourth level and every six levels thereafter, the expert gains a bonus feat. Expert Professional: At level 5, the Expert may choose a single Craft, Profession, Perform, or Knowledge skill. Once per day, he may add his class level to a check against this skill. Skill Mastery: Works like the Rogue's ability. Reputation: The expert may add half his level to checks towards Diplomacy and Bluff when dealing with others of his profession (anyone who has at least 4 ranks, or 1 rank and has it as a class skill, in a skill that the Expert has at least 4 ranks in). Extended Class Skills: The expert gets to choose an additional number of class skills equal to his intelligence score. ========= What do you think? Is it playable (mostly as a multi-class option)? Is it too good with all these skills? Too bad, due to being nearly useless in combat? I understand that it will sneak better than a rogue (if it wants too) but it does lack the combat abilities of a rogue (and trapfinding, though I have that as a feat as a house rule) which I think makes up for the higher skill possibilities. [/QUOTE]

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