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<blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 5018598" data-attributes="member: 48520"><p>Much Appreciated. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Alot of these seem to be an issues of "rules as intended, vs. rules as written." I'm going to update the pdf to say things the way I meant for them to function(when I get home), and list how I meant for these things to work, which you seem to have interpreted differently(now), and see if that makes any difference.</p><p></p><p>I removed the issue numbers in your quotes to make it less confusing since I numbered my points / solutions.</p><p></p><p>Okay. Here I'm seeing issues of "Oh <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I was totally thinking of something else, and didn't write it that way."</p><p>These 'nerfs' may make feeding be more reasonable, and are in fact the way I meant to run it, and I had not realized that I didn't write ti that way until you pointed it out.</p><p>1. The grapple, needs to be followed by a bite, to do the Con damage. The bite is at your full BAB, but only if theyre grappled. You don't get bite as a natural attack all the time, only when grappling. The bite should probably do the standard 1d4. I'll have to add that in to the damage table for slam/claws.</p><p>2. Next round, the victim gets his opposed grapple as usual. </p><p>-If he wins the grapple, he gets his attack as usual. If he escapes the grapple, the feeding ends. </p><p>--If he does damage instead of escaping, you need to do a concentration check (or however it's handled in pathfinder for other melee things requiring a concentration check since concentration is in spellcraft) to maintain the bite/feeding. </p><p>--If he does not choose escape, and misses, or the damage dealt doesn't make you fail your check, you can then do the Con damage and feed the next round.</p><p>-If he fails the grapple check, you can feed. You don't do more HP damage from biting, as you already bit, but you do the Con Damage.</p><p>3. The 7 is including fast healing? Hmm. yeah. Feeding shouldn't be that easy though, as I outlined above but didn't write up properly.</p><p>Maybe Feeding shouldn't heal HP. Maybe just stave off the hunger, unless the hunger is abated, at which point you get your bonus HP. </p><p>For the Hunger to be abated, you have to have already drained 4 CON that day from someone. If you drain 1 CON one round, no Bonus HP, and the Hunger is not abated that day yet. if you drain 4 CON the next round, for a total of 5, you have now abated the hunger, but have not drained CON while abated yet, so you still don't get the bonus HP. If you do it again AFTER this, then you get the bonus HP (which may only fill the bonus HP, leaving standard hp alone, depending on balance issues. get back to me if you can). </p><p>4. The Feed ability only works on living creatures with blood. </p><p>*Possible Nerf* If it's a different kind than the vampire's base-creature's type had (Warm blooded vs. Cold Blooded, then its utility in all senses is cut in half, with no minimum.)</p><p></p><p>5. *Note > Blood Hunger: The Blood Hunger can be sated by a corpse if it's freshly killed, and the corpse can be fed upon like a living one. The blood must either be preserved, or less than a day old, to be usable. *should gentle repose expire faster for this effect?*</p><p></p><p>Oh. I've always been under the impression that holy symbols had to be blessed to be considered holy. Using a christian analogy for how I meant for them to work:</p><p>1. Peasant presents a makeshift cross. Unless he is a holy-man, or a priest/cleric, it's just two sticks. Not a holy symbol.</p><p>2. Cleric/Priest presents a holy symbol of their god, or one which was blessed by a priest of the god whom the symbol belongs to. Works as directed.</p><p>3. Peasant Presents a holy symbol blessed by a Priest/Cleric/Holy-Man. works as Intended.</p><p>4. Holy symbol is 7ft tall, and in a church. You can assume it's been blessed. Works as intended.</p><p>*Note. Blessing said holy symbol should not require a special ability, just has been treated as a holy symbol by a Priest/Cleric. Alternatively, you could have it require use of the bless spell, but on holy symbols, as they are not weapons, the effect is permanent.</p><p></p><p>Unblessed Basic Structures have no effect. </p><p></p><p>Sorry, yes that would be the creator's ECL, and the "Why ECL" is a holdover from when I wrote that ability up for an old template. Where I'm working under the assumption that Level Adjustments no longer exist, and abilities are Tied to Hit Dice, Level or HD is what should be there instead of ECL. It was written with LA and HD a while back, and I never liked having DCs be tied to HD, when you had an LA you had to pay for as well. Have I mentioned I don't think the LA system was well designed?(kidding, I know I have).</p><p></p><p>I thought all these were covered by saying 'as a x level wizard', but I could always standardize them for DCs, using standardized values for them. I'll look at this when I get home too.</p><p></p><p>I'll rephrase the animals notes to be more clear.</p><p></p><p>Editing Error. thanks, I'll be sure to fix this as soon as I get home.</p><p></p><p>Thanks dude!</p><p></p><p>Thoughts on these corrections? Do you think they'd all work?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sylrae, post: 5018598, member: 48520"] Much Appreciated. :) Alot of these seem to be an issues of "rules as intended, vs. rules as written." I'm going to update the pdf to say things the way I meant for them to function(when I get home), and list how I meant for these things to work, which you seem to have interpreted differently(now), and see if that makes any difference. I removed the issue numbers in your quotes to make it less confusing since I numbered my points / solutions. Okay. Here I'm seeing issues of "Oh :):):):) I was totally thinking of something else, and didn't write it that way." These 'nerfs' may make feeding be more reasonable, and are in fact the way I meant to run it, and I had not realized that I didn't write ti that way until you pointed it out. 1. The grapple, needs to be followed by a bite, to do the Con damage. The bite is at your full BAB, but only if theyre grappled. You don't get bite as a natural attack all the time, only when grappling. The bite should probably do the standard 1d4. I'll have to add that in to the damage table for slam/claws. 2. Next round, the victim gets his opposed grapple as usual. -If he wins the grapple, he gets his attack as usual. If he escapes the grapple, the feeding ends. --If he does damage instead of escaping, you need to do a concentration check (or however it's handled in pathfinder for other melee things requiring a concentration check since concentration is in spellcraft) to maintain the bite/feeding. --If he does not choose escape, and misses, or the damage dealt doesn't make you fail your check, you can then do the Con damage and feed the next round. -If he fails the grapple check, you can feed. You don't do more HP damage from biting, as you already bit, but you do the Con Damage. 3. The 7 is including fast healing? Hmm. yeah. Feeding shouldn't be that easy though, as I outlined above but didn't write up properly. Maybe Feeding shouldn't heal HP. Maybe just stave off the hunger, unless the hunger is abated, at which point you get your bonus HP. For the Hunger to be abated, you have to have already drained 4 CON that day from someone. If you drain 1 CON one round, no Bonus HP, and the Hunger is not abated that day yet. if you drain 4 CON the next round, for a total of 5, you have now abated the hunger, but have not drained CON while abated yet, so you still don't get the bonus HP. If you do it again AFTER this, then you get the bonus HP (which may only fill the bonus HP, leaving standard hp alone, depending on balance issues. get back to me if you can). 4. The Feed ability only works on living creatures with blood. *Possible Nerf* If it's a different kind than the vampire's base-creature's type had (Warm blooded vs. Cold Blooded, then its utility in all senses is cut in half, with no minimum.) 5. *Note > Blood Hunger: The Blood Hunger can be sated by a corpse if it's freshly killed, and the corpse can be fed upon like a living one. The blood must either be preserved, or less than a day old, to be usable. *should gentle repose expire faster for this effect?* Oh. I've always been under the impression that holy symbols had to be blessed to be considered holy. Using a christian analogy for how I meant for them to work: 1. Peasant presents a makeshift cross. Unless he is a holy-man, or a priest/cleric, it's just two sticks. Not a holy symbol. 2. Cleric/Priest presents a holy symbol of their god, or one which was blessed by a priest of the god whom the symbol belongs to. Works as directed. 3. Peasant Presents a holy symbol blessed by a Priest/Cleric/Holy-Man. works as Intended. 4. Holy symbol is 7ft tall, and in a church. You can assume it's been blessed. Works as intended. *Note. Blessing said holy symbol should not require a special ability, just has been treated as a holy symbol by a Priest/Cleric. Alternatively, you could have it require use of the bless spell, but on holy symbols, as they are not weapons, the effect is permanent. Unblessed Basic Structures have no effect. Sorry, yes that would be the creator's ECL, and the "Why ECL" is a holdover from when I wrote that ability up for an old template. Where I'm working under the assumption that Level Adjustments no longer exist, and abilities are Tied to Hit Dice, Level or HD is what should be there instead of ECL. It was written with LA and HD a while back, and I never liked having DCs be tied to HD, when you had an LA you had to pay for as well. Have I mentioned I don't think the LA system was well designed?(kidding, I know I have). I thought all these were covered by saying 'as a x level wizard', but I could always standardize them for DCs, using standardized values for them. I'll look at this when I get home too. I'll rephrase the animals notes to be more clear. Editing Error. thanks, I'll be sure to fix this as soon as I get home. Thanks dude! Thoughts on these corrections? Do you think they'd all work? [/QUOTE]
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