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Player 1 'grabs and pulls' player 2, then claims it's 'Forced movement, no AtOp'
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<blockquote data-quote="Ninja-to" data-source="post: 5625446" data-attributes="member: 19551"><p>So in our game tonight a player was stuck in a crack in the floor. He asks a fellow PC to pull him out. Next to him was a nasty Mummy. Because the other player pulled him, he claimed there should be no Attack of Opportunity because the other player 'forced' him to move. There was no power involved, it was just a grab and a yank.</p><p></p><p>I ruled there's no way that counts as forced movement, as it didn't come from a power or an effect as stated in the forced movement rules in the PHB. He wholeheartedly disagreed. A lot. I mean, a lot.</p><p></p><p>Any thoughts? If he's right, that means anyone can effectively 'pull' any other player two squares at any time it's convenient without provoking AtOps.</p><p></p><p> A</p><p>B</p><p> C</p><p></p><p>Player 'B' can grab and 'pull' player 'A' to square 'C' (two squares) and nobody can get atops on 'A'. After I pointed this out to him, he said that was exactly right.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind, this is not a power. This is grabbing the guy by the collar or arm and just pulling. He said 'Nobody would ever do that though, because it would take a standard action.'</p><p></p><p>Thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ninja-to, post: 5625446, member: 19551"] So in our game tonight a player was stuck in a crack in the floor. He asks a fellow PC to pull him out. Next to him was a nasty Mummy. Because the other player pulled him, he claimed there should be no Attack of Opportunity because the other player 'forced' him to move. There was no power involved, it was just a grab and a yank. I ruled there's no way that counts as forced movement, as it didn't come from a power or an effect as stated in the forced movement rules in the PHB. He wholeheartedly disagreed. A lot. I mean, a lot. Any thoughts? If he's right, that means anyone can effectively 'pull' any other player two squares at any time it's convenient without provoking AtOps. A B C Player 'B' can grab and 'pull' player 'A' to square 'C' (two squares) and nobody can get atops on 'A'. After I pointed this out to him, he said that was exactly right. Keep in mind, this is not a power. This is grabbing the guy by the collar or arm and just pulling. He said 'Nobody would ever do that though, because it would take a standard action.' Thoughts? [/QUOTE]
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