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Player 1 'grabs and pulls' player 2, then claims it's 'Forced movement, no AtOp'
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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5625505" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>Irrelevant</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Relevant</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Irrelevant</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Incorrect</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Irrelevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It does not matter if it was a power. It was an effect, (if it weren't, nothing would happen) but even that's not relevant.</p><p></p><p>Was it a pull? If Yes, it is forced movement, and no OA. If No, OA. Pulls are by definition forced movement. Whether forced movement is beneficial to the target or not is irrelevant to this.</p><p></p><p>That's the only question that needs to be addressed, everytihng else has absolutely nothing to do with the question of OAs resulting from movement. </p><p></p><p>---------------------------</p><p></p><p>Really tho, the fault is yours for not delineating what sort of movement it was. If it was a normal move, you should have said it would be. If it was a shift, then there's no OA. And if it's a push, pull, or slide, it's 'forced movement' regardless of how voluntary it is, as the ally doesn't get to decide where he goes. </p><p></p><p>---------------------------</p><p></p><p>At the end tho, ask yourself if the guy used a standard action to do this. Chances are he did, and a standard action or two, accompanied by some die rolls, is a fair way to move someone out of a hazard and avoid trouble. The enemy is still getting the advantage in terms of attacking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5625505, member: 71571"] Irrelevant Relevant Correct Irrelevant Correct Incorrect Correct Irrelevant. It does not matter if it was a power. It was an effect, (if it weren't, nothing would happen) but even that's not relevant. Was it a pull? If Yes, it is forced movement, and no OA. If No, OA. Pulls are by definition forced movement. Whether forced movement is beneficial to the target or not is irrelevant to this. That's the only question that needs to be addressed, everytihng else has absolutely nothing to do with the question of OAs resulting from movement. --------------------------- Really tho, the fault is yours for not delineating what sort of movement it was. If it was a normal move, you should have said it would be. If it was a shift, then there's no OA. And if it's a push, pull, or slide, it's 'forced movement' regardless of how voluntary it is, as the ally doesn't get to decide where he goes. --------------------------- At the end tho, ask yourself if the guy used a standard action to do this. Chances are he did, and a standard action or two, accompanied by some die rolls, is a fair way to move someone out of a hazard and avoid trouble. The enemy is still getting the advantage in terms of attacking. [/QUOTE]
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