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<blockquote data-quote="Zoombaba" data-source="post: 32802" data-attributes="member: 2504"><p>Ok--</p><p></p><p>In D&D3e, under what circumstances would a 7th level Ranger get to have 3 attacks without penalty? Ever?</p><p></p><p>Here's my situation:</p><p></p><p>I've been playing with the same group about 5 years now, through games like GURPS and Cthulhu. For years I've been trying to fit my style on this group with poor results. I've given up, run D&D3e as game of choice for the last 3 months. It's strictly beer and pretzels, hack'n'slash, rules-lawyering gaming. All the players flocked to the game, bought Player Handbooks, and love it. Since I have another gaming group I play with to get my rules-light story-oriented roleplaying in with, everyone is happy, and I generally like these guys I play DnD with.</p><p></p><p>Problem is, as DM, I don't know the rules as well as the players. Often, that means accomodating players and deferring to their knowledge. Unfortunately, I might have one player whose snowing me. </p><p></p><p>It started like this. When he created his Dwarf Ranger, he insisted that he should be able to use a Dwarven Urgosh without Exotic Weapon Proficiency. I couldn't find any rules one way or the other, so I allowed it. I still feel bad about this decision, because it felt unbalancing at the time.</p><p></p><p>Then he starts using this Urgosh immediately as a double attack according to the Ranger two-weapon fighting rules. It wasn't until his character reached 5th level, that I found out that he left key points of those rules out. By then, his Ranger got 2 attacks per full attack anyway, so it became a moot point. I did mention it at the time, but it was trivial. Now, he's at 7th level, and now he's using 3 attacks per round. I've been paying attention elsewhere, so I never thought about it.</p><p></p><p>Last night, he wasn't around, and one person--who I tend to think of as having the best game knowledge at the table--informs me that he's known for weeks that the Ranger's player has been misusing the rules all along. </p><p></p><p>Maybe it wasn't intentional, I don't know. But the fact is, here's a player who, once one of my best players, is zooming toward power-gamer land. You can see it in his eyes when you rule against him. He's become more argumentative and nit-picky. It's nuts. It's not exactly like playing in junior high again, but it's headed that direction. He's a good guy, dependable, and he shows up on time always. It's just this move toward munchkinism isn't helped by my wishy-washy DM'ing. And it's not being fair to the other players, who are playing their characters within the rules. </p><p></p><p>So, how do I break it too him that we've been playing the game wrong without further antagonizing this aspect?</p><p></p><p>Your help is appreciated,</p><p></p><p>Zoombaba</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zoombaba, post: 32802, member: 2504"] Ok-- In D&D3e, under what circumstances would a 7th level Ranger get to have 3 attacks without penalty? Ever? Here's my situation: I've been playing with the same group about 5 years now, through games like GURPS and Cthulhu. For years I've been trying to fit my style on this group with poor results. I've given up, run D&D3e as game of choice for the last 3 months. It's strictly beer and pretzels, hack'n'slash, rules-lawyering gaming. All the players flocked to the game, bought Player Handbooks, and love it. Since I have another gaming group I play with to get my rules-light story-oriented roleplaying in with, everyone is happy, and I generally like these guys I play DnD with. Problem is, as DM, I don't know the rules as well as the players. Often, that means accomodating players and deferring to their knowledge. Unfortunately, I might have one player whose snowing me. It started like this. When he created his Dwarf Ranger, he insisted that he should be able to use a Dwarven Urgosh without Exotic Weapon Proficiency. I couldn't find any rules one way or the other, so I allowed it. I still feel bad about this decision, because it felt unbalancing at the time. Then he starts using this Urgosh immediately as a double attack according to the Ranger two-weapon fighting rules. It wasn't until his character reached 5th level, that I found out that he left key points of those rules out. By then, his Ranger got 2 attacks per full attack anyway, so it became a moot point. I did mention it at the time, but it was trivial. Now, he's at 7th level, and now he's using 3 attacks per round. I've been paying attention elsewhere, so I never thought about it. Last night, he wasn't around, and one person--who I tend to think of as having the best game knowledge at the table--informs me that he's known for weeks that the Ranger's player has been misusing the rules all along. Maybe it wasn't intentional, I don't know. But the fact is, here's a player who, once one of my best players, is zooming toward power-gamer land. You can see it in his eyes when you rule against him. He's become more argumentative and nit-picky. It's nuts. It's not exactly like playing in junior high again, but it's headed that direction. He's a good guy, dependable, and he shows up on time always. It's just this move toward munchkinism isn't helped by my wishy-washy DM'ing. And it's not being fair to the other players, who are playing their characters within the rules. So, how do I break it too him that we've been playing the game wrong without further antagonizing this aspect? Your help is appreciated, Zoombaba [/QUOTE]
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