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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 8045156" data-attributes="member: 6879661"><p>At the end of the 30 Years War freedom of prisoners of war without ransom was agreed with France in the 1600. As I said this was during war though, not banditry or raiding. Actual criminals were treated horrendously.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As late as the 18C in Britain often a private citizen would be paid by victims to track down criminals and bring them to justice. As this paid so poorly they often had part time jobs. There was no civil law enforcement to speak of beyond some small organized watch paid for by cities usually to protect property and paid for directly by the rich. They had Very little interest in crimes against the poor.</p><p></p><p>In RPGs are usually requested to investigate by local authorities (mayor, headman, noble, king). Those are the authorities as far as most crimes are concerned. I don’t believe the average person gave a damn about the average criminal. They certainly wouldn’t care if bandits got killed y the people sent to deal with them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bringing them back to whom? Trials in medieval times were very rare for all but the most notable (not serious, just notable) Quarterly sessions often took place a few times per year and there were very limited jails to hold people. Prisons as we Understand them now didn’t exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This I agree with. It’s not Lawful Good behavior and it breaks the oath of devotion. That said It’s not evil to mislead someone to get information about other murderers. Neutral at worst. Perhaps the Paladin should have interrupted the interogation to make it clear that his companions weren’t going to let the criminal go. That clears the Paladin of deception.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bandits don’t have to be evil to be bandits. Neither do they need to be evil in order to be punished with death. The Bloody Code included such crimes as stealing goods worth more than 12 pence. Even at the end of the 18thC. I think it stretches credulity to think that adventurers charges by authorities to solve a problem of banditry or raiding would be considered murderers in turn... other than by those doing the banditry and raiding.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 8045156, member: 6879661"] At the end of the 30 Years War freedom of prisoners of war without ransom was agreed with France in the 1600. As I said this was during war though, not banditry or raiding. Actual criminals were treated horrendously. As late as the 18C in Britain often a private citizen would be paid by victims to track down criminals and bring them to justice. As this paid so poorly they often had part time jobs. There was no civil law enforcement to speak of beyond some small organized watch paid for by cities usually to protect property and paid for directly by the rich. They had Very little interest in crimes against the poor. In RPGs are usually requested to investigate by local authorities (mayor, headman, noble, king). Those are the authorities as far as most crimes are concerned. I don’t believe the average person gave a damn about the average criminal. They certainly wouldn’t care if bandits got killed y the people sent to deal with them. Bringing them back to whom? Trials in medieval times were very rare for all but the most notable (not serious, just notable) Quarterly sessions often took place a few times per year and there were very limited jails to hold people. Prisons as we Understand them now didn’t exist. This I agree with. It’s not Lawful Good behavior and it breaks the oath of devotion. That said It’s not evil to mislead someone to get information about other murderers. Neutral at worst. Perhaps the Paladin should have interrupted the interogation to make it clear that his companions weren’t going to let the criminal go. That clears the Paladin of deception. Bandits don’t have to be evil to be bandits. Neither do they need to be evil in order to be punished with death. The Bloody Code included such crimes as stealing goods worth more than 12 pence. Even at the end of the 18thC. I think it stretches credulity to think that adventurers charges by authorities to solve a problem of banditry or raiding would be considered murderers in turn... other than by those doing the banditry and raiding. [/QUOTE]
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