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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 8590876" data-attributes="member: 92511"><p>You did nothing wrong that I can tell. Though, I will echo the confusion at the idea of Rope Trick being a 'metagaming power move." That doesn't really seem accurate. There were opponents, things were not going well, I guess, or the player just panicked? Or the PC is supposed to be a coward? Or whatever. But I don't get what's "metagamey" or, really all that [over]"powered" about it.</p><p></p><p>There is no reason the orcs/orogs wouldn't have attacked the ranger (real valor-driven guy there, huh?) climbing up the rope and then climbed up the rope after him. Trying to deploy a Rope Trick when already in combat is a tough move. Could be a good tactic if the party is all crowded/clumped around each other. But still tough, and almost certainly not going to happen without taking some rounds of AOOs/heavy damage.</p><p></p><p>If the other characters didn't follow him up the rope (sounds like they were busy) that's not your fault. Not the ranger's either. </p><p></p><p>I could see a case being made, depending on the superstition/worldliness levels of your orcs perhaps being shocked/stopping their climb to see the ranger disappear before them/at the top. But that's a real nitpicky "maybe." The idea that they would know the spell well enough to pull the rope up behind them...eh...that's probably something that should have had an explanation. </p><p></p><p>But I don't see ther being anything untoward or purposely punitive by what happened. Definitely not ANYthing -rules calls, changing spell descriptions, unrealistic opponents' actions, or anything else- that was "cheating." Sounds like the player may have a bit of growing up to do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 8590876, member: 92511"] You did nothing wrong that I can tell. Though, I will echo the confusion at the idea of Rope Trick being a 'metagaming power move." That doesn't really seem accurate. There were opponents, things were not going well, I guess, or the player just panicked? Or the PC is supposed to be a coward? Or whatever. But I don't get what's "metagamey" or, really all that [over]"powered" about it. There is no reason the orcs/orogs wouldn't have attacked the ranger (real valor-driven guy there, huh?) climbing up the rope and then climbed up the rope after him. Trying to deploy a Rope Trick when already in combat is a tough move. Could be a good tactic if the party is all crowded/clumped around each other. But still tough, and almost certainly not going to happen without taking some rounds of AOOs/heavy damage. If the other characters didn't follow him up the rope (sounds like they were busy) that's not your fault. Not the ranger's either. I could see a case being made, depending on the superstition/worldliness levels of your orcs perhaps being shocked/stopping their climb to see the ranger disappear before them/at the top. But that's a real nitpicky "maybe." The idea that they would know the spell well enough to pull the rope up behind them...eh...that's probably something that should have had an explanation. But I don't see ther being anything untoward or purposely punitive by what happened. Definitely not ANYthing -rules calls, changing spell descriptions, unrealistic opponents' actions, or anything else- that was "cheating." Sounds like the player may have a bit of growing up to do. [/QUOTE]
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