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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arbanax" data-source="post: 5404348" data-attributes="member: 61517">HI all I've had a great group of guys play 4e since around Aug and we've been getting one well.  But for one player who over time has increasingly shown (through his character) some difficult tendencies but its spilled out into the game personally the last two sessions. Basically he seems to like optimising characters, so he wanted to swap out his Warlock, I said see if you can keep him but change his powers/pact etc.  This seemed to delay things, but increasingly he'd been acting at odds with the party, provoking the defenders etc until he got this warlock killed by attacking another PC so he could now play this new character (risking another PC to do it).  So I retconned this as I wouldn't have allowed this to happen if I knew what he was up to (long story).  So I said no to his new character an Assassin Rogue Hybrid, partly because the party had a Rogue and needed a controller and because I think he is doing it to outshine the Rogue and play competitively again. Anyway having said no, he still showed up with the character and began to play it until I realised he wasn't playing his previous character (again long story here).  I told him he had to play his old character or role up someone, anyone else as long as it wasn't a Rogue.  But he refused and told me he was going to play his new character and that was that!  So I said enough, you can sit this out and we'd sort it out after the game.  I talked to him after the game briefly and took his character to see what he'd done.  But in truth I don't feel he should play this character for the trouble it will cause and the way he tried to engineer it to.  The thing is as I've got to know him I've found out he is desperate to DM, but the rest don't appear to want to be his players.  Secondly he is very competitive and can be childish when he doesn't get his way.   I'm looking over his character trying to decide if its a good idea to let this character roll, or stand my ground and potentially loose him from the group.  I think the thing is I could be misjudging him, but the rest of the group was embarrassed by his behaviour.  Who needs that in a game which supposed to be fun?  For the more experienced DM's out there what would you do, would you ask him to leave if he doesn't do what you said?  Would you let him play his character and give him a bit more room to see what happens?  Thanks Ab</blockquote>

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