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Message: <blockquote data-quote="boredgremlin" data-source="post: 2548594" data-attributes="member: 31646">I think this is really an issue with the palidan class period. Unfortunately sometimes people see the concept of it and think they should do dumb things because they are holy. I find this is honestly because of a lack of direction by the game designers on the class.   Modern sensibilities arent even remotely similar to the european crusader knights this class is based on. If anything more of those knights would likely be blackgaurds in game terms then palidans. Unfortunately it sticks players in these funny situations sometimes where players do the things that we have been raised to think of as right in western societies but which are not necessarily the smart thing. Because unfortunately most of those modern ideas are just foolhardy in a D&D world.    Blind compassion in a world full of demons and monsters is a recipe for suicide, as is the lack of practicality that some players see in the palidan class. Laying out an actual palidans code in plain lettering can make some of these issues go away since its not really possible for some of us to get into the mindset of people in the far more savage world of D&D. So for the sake of conveniance here are a few knightly codes from a google search of historic chivalric codes.<a href="http://www.sirclisto.com/chiv.html" target="_blank">http://www.sirclisto.com/chiv.html</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry</a>  Lol on a side note the more i search for things the more i see wikidpedia is great for all kinds of stuff.    But whats good about this is you might just teach both players something. After all you said that the dwarf is a priest of Moradin if i recall. That means he worships a lawful good warrior god. So find or create a code of honor you like and make him follow it too. After all a cleric who violates the code of his god is just as likely to get pounded and lose class abilities as a palidan is. They are divine gifts after all.    The characters might or might not work this out. Whats important isnt the characters, its the players. If one of them makes this personal then he needs to go, otherwise give them both a code, keep track of it for future lawful good clerics and palidans and let the players bring it to an in-game decision with one them saying it was wrong and walking away. That will force the other players to make some sort of stand.      One of 3 things will happen. 1) they will go with with the dwarf and the paly makes a new character. 2) they will go with the pally and the dwarf will make a new character.3) they will say both characters are a pain in the ass and make them both make new characters.    No matter what the problem is solved and both players learn a valuable lesson about this particular group of gamers.</blockquote>

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