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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Funeris" data-source="post: 2557067" data-attributes="member: 22792">Given.  And, ditto.Grugni is a racist, yup I agree...not arguing with that.  I stated it myself.  But, I guess where we differ is whether or not racism is evil.  IMHO, racism is evil.  I infer that from your own posts you feel this way as well...therefore...the slaughter of the goblinoids because Grugni is racist and not based on any threat posed at the dwarf, is an act of evil.Have I ever seen an elf?  No, I take my medication <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Who am I to judge...well, as a thread posted in the General RPG Discussion forums, I guess that makes me an Enworlder.  Furthermore, as an Enworlder I (and all of us) were asked our opinions.  So, I judged the situation as a player of a paladin, a reader of the rules, and as a DM/GM.  It is with this experience that I made my personal judgement call.  It was asked for and I gave it.  If I were the DM of the game, my response is how I would have handled the situation.  If I were the paladin in the game, my response is again how I would have handled the situation.First, anyone that compares their own situation to 'What would Bruenor do?' or 'What would Ivan and Pikel do?' loses points of respect in my book.  But that's just my personal opinion of RA Salvatore's work.  That judgement aside...My hypothetical situation was fantasy as well (although it may be reality in some peoples' lives...a few of them I've met).  And well...lets face facts here, fantasy and art are metaphors for real life.  Racism is still racism, whether its real life racism or fantasy racism.  Racism is evil.  Your character's prejudices (while possibly justified) are still evil.  And his acts...yup...still evil.  Therefore, the paladin should deliver justice onto you (whether its in the form of a smiting, confinement/jail time, sensitivity training, or extraordinarily long and torturous lectures is a detail left to the paladin and his/her beliefs).  That is a paladin's job.You have a point here.  The DM should have made this information known.  However, your statement does not stand.  Racism is still evil and thus Grugni is still evil.Sounds like a rationalization....at least in accordance with Ana Freud's definition.Brother, I hear you here.  Some groups are dysfunctional.  That is a fact of gaming.  Either you deal with it, cope, and try to cater to everyone's whims...or you get fed up and find a proper gaming group.  I prefer to try the former before the latter...but I like to give people several chances...I'm not still with my first gaming group ever...it didn't work.  It couldn't work.  I went elsewhere...and while my current group isn't perfectly cohesive, I'm a lot happier. Asking an opinion isn't a debacle.  The fact that these threads always degenerate into flamewars is.I don't mind the fact that you grasp the grim reality of your character...I love grim characters.  I love grim worlds.  My homebrew is grim!  Racism abounds...even amongst my PCs!!!  Hells, I prefer my paladins to be big drinkers and nonconformist to the overwhelming idea of what a paladin is as semi-defined by the SRD/PHB....But, they don't willingly commit Evil (that's with a capital E) acts.  But Racism isn't any less evil because its a part of your worldview.  And you have done nothing to persuade me that racism is not evil.As such, I stand by my statements.  As DM, I would consider Grugni evil..and have him register as such upon the old Detect Evil meter (or at the very least stepping toward an evil alignment).  As the paladin player, I would administer justice.  And if the paladin did not administer justice and I was DM, I'd admonish that player appropriately.But such are just my opinions.  I really don't wish to start a flame war...nor continue one that had been started.  ~Fune</blockquote>

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