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<blockquote data-quote="ZSutherland" data-source="post: 1013055" data-attributes="member: 7638"><p>I agree completely with you. I didn't dock him at all for his metagaming comment about not wanting to lose exp by widening the split and I didn't penalize them for their metagame assumptions (I figure they got plenty of comeupance all on their own). So I figure that balances.</p><p></p><p>While I admit I have a problem with the player's out of character behavior, I can take his tardiness & interruptions up with him in private. My original post was a question, a request for help from fellow players and DMs, not an attempt to justify what the PCs were doing. I don't, however, have a problem with his role-play and have, in fact, been giving him a bit of a bonus for it since it's so different from his normal and it's consistent (yes, I even gave him a bonus last game because he's consistantly played a coward.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tsyr, no offense, but please stop shouting. I did tell the cleric's player in no uncertain terms that using Mark of Justice would probably be very much against the will of Yondalla, and she dropped that idea. I also told the wizard player that an alignment shift would immediately follow such an action, and then told them they both had to make up their minds about the matter one way or another. I am not trying to justify their behavior. In fact, I completely agree that some of it is over the top. On the other hand, PCs are people too. What I originally told them when they came to me was, "If your character feels that the rogue caused or contributed to the death of the ranger, then decide how your character would deal with that. The only action I will certainly dock you for is if your character thinks that, but takes NO action." Frankly, I'm a bit taken aback by their level of vindictiveness. I thought they'd give him the silent treatment or something or tell him he didn't fit in with their adventuring needs and take him to the local adventurer's guild and set him up with some other group. This might well force him to make a new character if he wanted to continue to play (though I wouldn't insist on it, I'd let him try and follow them or whatever he wanted to do so long as it didn't monopolize the game for everyone else), but this is a bit out of whack. If the cleric decides to charge him for heals, I'll see how it goes. If she tells him up front that's she's putting him on "probation" or something like and maybe fudges a little if he drops, to truly give himself a chance to redeem himself, I'll probably accept that, no penalty. She's playing the mother figure to a wayward child. If she just springs it on him, I'll dock her RP exp and may drop her caster level until she desists as punishment from Yondalla.</p><p></p><p>What I'm trying to do is get feedback from all of you to see if letting them handle their little tiff IC is the best way to approach the situation. Most of you have said yes, but I'm still giving weight to the rest. All I've seen out of you is screaming about the way my players handle their PCs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZSutherland, post: 1013055, member: 7638"] I agree completely with you. I didn't dock him at all for his metagaming comment about not wanting to lose exp by widening the split and I didn't penalize them for their metagame assumptions (I figure they got plenty of comeupance all on their own). So I figure that balances. While I admit I have a problem with the player's out of character behavior, I can take his tardiness & interruptions up with him in private. My original post was a question, a request for help from fellow players and DMs, not an attempt to justify what the PCs were doing. I don't, however, have a problem with his role-play and have, in fact, been giving him a bit of a bonus for it since it's so different from his normal and it's consistent (yes, I even gave him a bonus last game because he's consistantly played a coward.) Tsyr, no offense, but please stop shouting. I did tell the cleric's player in no uncertain terms that using Mark of Justice would probably be very much against the will of Yondalla, and she dropped that idea. I also told the wizard player that an alignment shift would immediately follow such an action, and then told them they both had to make up their minds about the matter one way or another. I am not trying to justify their behavior. In fact, I completely agree that some of it is over the top. On the other hand, PCs are people too. What I originally told them when they came to me was, "If your character feels that the rogue caused or contributed to the death of the ranger, then decide how your character would deal with that. The only action I will certainly dock you for is if your character thinks that, but takes NO action." Frankly, I'm a bit taken aback by their level of vindictiveness. I thought they'd give him the silent treatment or something or tell him he didn't fit in with their adventuring needs and take him to the local adventurer's guild and set him up with some other group. This might well force him to make a new character if he wanted to continue to play (though I wouldn't insist on it, I'd let him try and follow them or whatever he wanted to do so long as it didn't monopolize the game for everyone else), but this is a bit out of whack. If the cleric decides to charge him for heals, I'll see how it goes. If she tells him up front that's she's putting him on "probation" or something like and maybe fudges a little if he drops, to truly give himself a chance to redeem himself, I'll probably accept that, no penalty. She's playing the mother figure to a wayward child. If she just springs it on him, I'll dock her RP exp and may drop her caster level until she desists as punishment from Yondalla. What I'm trying to do is get feedback from all of you to see if letting them handle their little tiff IC is the best way to approach the situation. Most of you have said yes, but I'm still giving weight to the rest. All I've seen out of you is screaming about the way my players handle their PCs. [/QUOTE]
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