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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9417529" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Well, as others have noted, the main downside is that this may require players to be thinking in ways like this, and some players just really dislike that form of thinking during play.That said, Icon Relationships are easy to ignore or fob off onto the GM for people who don't want to bother with that sort of thing, so I generally agree that it's not nearly as intrusive as some folks think it is. That said, I'm sure there's a minority of players who can't stand that sort of thing from anyone at the table, and thus such games just will not ever appeal to them. That's unfortunate, but no game can be for everyone.Did you miss the part upthread where I had said...Because literally nothing whatsoever in the text says you must say yes no matter what. Instead, it recommends that you start from a position of wanting to say yes, unless you have a reason not to, and "I need a satisfactory explanation and I'm not getting one" is a reason not to. The text, explicitly, speaks about just telling people that their attempts auto-fail (or auto-succeed!) if that's what makes sense for the situation at hand.It's genuinely deeply frustrating how frequently people resort to, effectively, "But what about players unreasonable to the point of being actively jerks???" Doubly so because if you attempt to reference the converse--"what about DMs unreasonable to the point of being actively jerks???"--people get DEEPLY offended.What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.</blockquote>

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