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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1882347" data-attributes="member: 23094">Actually:So, a Spellcraft check of 24 will tell you that the spell is one of the Summon Monster spells, I-IV.Of course, they'd have to do this while the spell was still active.  Otherwise:With Faint being spell level 1-3, Moderate 4-6, etc.Thus, standing around, magically studying the aura through a detect magic spell would give them a rough approximation of the original spell's power.  Assuming a 5th-level PC, you could easily tell whether the spell was of spell level 1-3 (it would fade almost instantly).  If it took a bit longer (5 minutes or less), you'd know it was spell level 4-5.  If the aura outlasted your detect spell, you'd be less certain - it was either a particularly long lasting Moderate effect, or a Strong effect.  Casters higher than 5th-level  have no such problems identifying original effect strengths (barring artifact / deity level magic).I don't really see this as a problem, so long as you remember to filter it through your "CharacterScope."While the players may say something like that, it should be understood that the characters are likely saying something more like, "My mentor is known far and wide for his skill at conjuring, and I've studied the basics of magical theory quite extensively.  Spells that pull creatures from other planes of existence have miniscule durations - no more than a few seconds for all but the most powerful of conjurors - and that fight lasted more than a few heartbeats.  I surmise that we're dealing with a reasonably powerful wizard, here - one whose powers exceed my own ..." blah blah blah.Now, *I* can come up with appropriate flavor text for the Spellcraft roll and the results thereof.Not all players can, and, here's the important part,nor should they be required to.If they can, more power to them.If they can't, complaining about how they're bad, metagamey players certainly isn't going to help anything.</blockquote>

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