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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chimera" data-source="post: 1569241" data-attributes="member: 2002">At the start of this thread, I was on DragonLancer's side.  However, it has become all too obvious that DL is simply pouting because you won't wear the shackles he demands of you.  You "refuse" to see the value of playing that way, when he refuses to see the other side of it.You ask too much of him without giving anything on your end.  Accept that your PC group has a trained killer in it's midst and play to that.  Stop demanding that he wear YOUR shackles, stop pouting that he won't purposely cripple his character to play to your limits.Even so, LikuiDice should probably just accept that you and your other players won't ever be happy with an optimized character played to full potential in thier midst, and should find another game group.</blockquote>