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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1569338" data-attributes="member: 13098">This is a gaming group that has been established for 12 years.&nbsp; The only giving that needs to happen is if they are really set on keeping likuidice as a player.&nbsp; As a blunt observation, I think they have given him a two year trial, tried to convey the style that the group prefers and are finding that the newcomer, while an affable guy who is competent with the rules have not been able to integrate the guy with the group's style.&nbsp; But really, it's not right or wrong on either side.&nbsp; Dragonlancer and the group are not bad people.&nbsp; Likuidice is not a bad person.&nbsp; Though, constantly questioning DM decisions could be problematic in many groups.&nbsp; (Just last night I had a player decide to question how swimming rules work because they weren't convenient for him at the moment.&nbsp; Basically, he wanted a houserule that eliminates the penalties in the book based on his convenience.&nbsp; Aargh, we bogged the game down for 10 minutes because of that.&nbsp; But, I am digressing.)&nbsp; The point is that a stylistic choice is just as valid in this context as being frustrated by a player that wants to play a gunfighter.&nbsp; After all, they have firearms in the Forgotten Realms, so the rules are there.&nbsp; The player should be able to make a gunfighter right?&nbsp; Or a Kender in Greyhawk, or a lighthearted prankster in a near cthulhu-esque game.&nbsp; Yes, the DM can control what characters are allowed, but if you have to constantly say no, or tell the player to rein in the character, you are going to have dissatisfaction by everyone involved.&nbsp; If the group likes their playing style, should they have to accept a newcomer?&nbsp; Well, of course not.&nbsp; If they like the player and the player refuses to adjust to their playstyle, then the group has to adjust to accept the newcomer, or they have to part ways.&nbsp; If a player likes the group, but does not appreciate their playstyle, then the player has to change his playstyle or part ways.&nbsp; It certainly seems to be the best option at this point doesn't it?&nbsp; Compromise or part ways.&nbsp; It's a shame, but maybe it's for the best?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BSF, post: 1569338, member: 13098"] This is a gaming group that has been established for 12 years. The only giving that needs to happen is if they are really set on keeping likuidice as a player. As a blunt observation, I think they have given him a two year trial, tried to convey the style that the group prefers and are finding that the newcomer, while an affable guy who is competent with the rules have not been able to integrate the guy with the group's style. But really, it's not right or wrong on either side. Dragonlancer and the group are not bad people. Likuidice is not a bad person. Though, constantly questioning DM decisions could be problematic in many groups. (Just last night I had a player decide to question how swimming rules work because they weren't convenient for him at the moment. Basically, he wanted a houserule that eliminates the penalties in the book based on his convenience. Aargh, we bogged the game down for 10 minutes because of that. But, I am digressing.) The point is that a stylistic choice is just as valid in this context as being frustrated by a player that wants to play a gunfighter. After all, they have firearms in the Forgotten Realms, so the rules are there. The player should be able to make a gunfighter right? Or a Kender in Greyhawk, or a lighthearted prankster in a near cthulhu-esque game. Yes, the DM can control what characters are allowed, but if you have to constantly say no, or tell the player to rein in the character, you are going to have dissatisfaction by everyone involved. If the group likes their playing style, should they have to accept a newcomer? Well, of course not. If they like the player and the player refuses to adjust to their playstyle, then the group has to adjust to accept the newcomer, or they have to part ways. If a player likes the group, but does not appreciate their playstyle, then the player has to change his playstyle or part ways. It certainly seems to be the best option at this point doesn't it? Compromise or part ways. It's a shame, but maybe it's for the best? [/QUOTE]

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