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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 1574271" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I see. We have a failure to communicate here. I didn't mean to say that you restrict feats from use by Player X and not Player Y. I mean eliminating certain powergaming feats from the campaign altogether. Power Attack + Cleave is one thing, but putting Great Cleave and Whirlwind Attack on top of it, and a power gamer could create Sir Cuisinart Von Ginsu. So, while the warrior will still shine in combat, he won't be cutting such great swaths through the minions that you could drive Bill Gates' cash-convoy through it.</p><p></p><p>And, for clarity's sake, if you eliminate certain high-end warrior feats, certain item creation and metamagic feats would need to be excised as well, to prevent spellcasters from becoming magic item factories or arcane field howitzers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A fighter SHOULD be dropping damage bombs in excess of other characters, at least in melee. 105 pts of damage? I've seen worse. Powergaming? Matter of opinion.</p><p></p><p>But YOU let him have the combination of Feats, PrCls and equipment that let him do that 105pts of damage. Quite simply, the responsibility for that level of power yours- Likudice just used the rules you provided him for PC generation/development.</p><p></p><p>YOU have the power to say "No," so USE it. Its not your job to give Likudice everything on his PC's wish list.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, besides his obvious combat prowess, you don't like his acting chops? Is that it? Not every player is a talented amateur thespian.</p><p></p><p>He knows how to play Og, Slayer of the Many. Learning how to play a convincing Enchanter/Bard sybarite takes time. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A nice, if inaccurate, barb. We HAVE our Captain Killcrazy, but it bugs us not in the least. Why? That PC is a source of damage dealing and attack absorbtion that lets me play Pierre Chanson, the whip-wielding subterranean archeologist (Human Ftr/Rgr/Div/Spellsword) who probably will never have an offensive spell better than True Strike and will take weeks to do 100 points of damage. Because of his PC, another guy can play a gnomish monk whose combat contribution is just barely better than that of a kamikaze moth.</p><p></p><p>In other words, he kills stuff so we don't have to get involved in it. And we have dealt with this player's variations on the theme for 6 years. His basic, cookie-cutter slayers give us the freedom to explore the esoteric with impunity.</p><p></p><p>Quite simply, his powergaming isn't a liability because we don't let it be a liability.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup. Played it for years in 2Ed, and its 3Ed incarnation is about 2 feet from me right now. Does the concept of a Dragonslayer fit Krynn? Yes. But the PrCL as written in the Draconomicon could become uncontrollable in the Krynn setting. That ability to apply Improved Crit to ANY of his weapons is powerful by itself, and they have more besides.</p><p></p><p>Of course, how unbalancing a Dragonslayer would be in Krynn would depend on how you handle their powers. Do you let Likudice apply his PC's Dragonslayer abilities to Draconians and Dragonspawn as well as Dragons?</p><p></p><p>As for the psionics-its good that you've spread it throughout the setting. Too many people just drop it in and are surprised when the Psion or the PW start running rampant.</p><p></p><p>Rules arguing? I'm with you in that it doesn't have a place at the table once its disruptive. If its about a genuine question that matters-fine. Its just, from what I have read here, Likudice's perception of how he is regarded in the group is only frustrating him, which will feed the fire of rules bickering.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 1574271, member: 19675"] I see. We have a failure to communicate here. I didn't mean to say that you restrict feats from use by Player X and not Player Y. I mean eliminating certain powergaming feats from the campaign altogether. Power Attack + Cleave is one thing, but putting Great Cleave and Whirlwind Attack on top of it, and a power gamer could create Sir Cuisinart Von Ginsu. So, while the warrior will still shine in combat, he won't be cutting such great swaths through the minions that you could drive Bill Gates' cash-convoy through it. And, for clarity's sake, if you eliminate certain high-end warrior feats, certain item creation and metamagic feats would need to be excised as well, to prevent spellcasters from becoming magic item factories or arcane field howitzers. A fighter SHOULD be dropping damage bombs in excess of other characters, at least in melee. 105 pts of damage? I've seen worse. Powergaming? Matter of opinion. But YOU let him have the combination of Feats, PrCls and equipment that let him do that 105pts of damage. Quite simply, the responsibility for that level of power yours- Likudice just used the rules you provided him for PC generation/development. YOU have the power to say "No," so USE it. Its not your job to give Likudice everything on his PC's wish list. So, besides his obvious combat prowess, you don't like his acting chops? Is that it? Not every player is a talented amateur thespian. He knows how to play Og, Slayer of the Many. Learning how to play a convincing Enchanter/Bard sybarite takes time. A nice, if inaccurate, barb. We HAVE our Captain Killcrazy, but it bugs us not in the least. Why? That PC is a source of damage dealing and attack absorbtion that lets me play Pierre Chanson, the whip-wielding subterranean archeologist (Human Ftr/Rgr/Div/Spellsword) who probably will never have an offensive spell better than True Strike and will take weeks to do 100 points of damage. Because of his PC, another guy can play a gnomish monk whose combat contribution is just barely better than that of a kamikaze moth. In other words, he kills stuff so we don't have to get involved in it. And we have dealt with this player's variations on the theme for 6 years. His basic, cookie-cutter slayers give us the freedom to explore the esoteric with impunity. Quite simply, his powergaming isn't a liability because we don't let it be a liability. Yup. Played it for years in 2Ed, and its 3Ed incarnation is about 2 feet from me right now. Does the concept of a Dragonslayer fit Krynn? Yes. But the PrCL as written in the Draconomicon could become uncontrollable in the Krynn setting. That ability to apply Improved Crit to ANY of his weapons is powerful by itself, and they have more besides. Of course, how unbalancing a Dragonslayer would be in Krynn would depend on how you handle their powers. Do you let Likudice apply his PC's Dragonslayer abilities to Draconians and Dragonspawn as well as Dragons? As for the psionics-its good that you've spread it throughout the setting. Too many people just drop it in and are surprised when the Psion or the PW start running rampant. Rules arguing? I'm with you in that it doesn't have a place at the table once its disruptive. If its about a genuine question that matters-fine. Its just, from what I have read here, Likudice's perception of how he is regarded in the group is only frustrating him, which will feed the fire of rules bickering. [/QUOTE]
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