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<blockquote data-quote="DragonLancer" data-source="post: 1574491" data-attributes="member: 11868"><p>Cryptic… Who do you think he is? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A. I don’t really have any. Any house rules are always written up and given to the players before the characters are even drawn up, and are posted to the EGroup we use.</p><p>B. I don’t roll in the open. Never have done. I keep my rolls separate from the players. I don’t fudge rolls or pretend I rolled a critical when I didn’t...etc. </p><p>C. Same here. I have made a couple mistakes before, and in that regard Likuidice’s knowledge of the rules has been of great assistance. As much as I find rules lawyers annoying, I also find them useful when I can’t recall rules or we need something quick.</p><p>D. Again, same here. All suitable feats, PrC’s, spells and relevant books are given out to players before characters are made, and are posted to our EGroup. On occasions when I buy a new book, something may be added to the list but its not often and I decide what is and isn’t added.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why does it? I assume you mean in favour of the other players? It is one of those things the group favours in their gaming. That’s up to group how that works, not for Likuidice to decide.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do see his side. I have never said otherwise. But what I have been saying is that myself and the rest of the players disagree with his view. We can see and understand where he is coming from, but we don’t like the type of game he wants to play.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed and agreed. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But it is a play style issue and at the end of the day (and this is the important bit) if my other players stop sending me e-mails complaining or telling me the problems they have with him (and yes, they have raised these same issues to him during and after a few games), and instead stop playing… we’re out of a game. So either we leave it as is, and have him annoy the other players more and more until they stop playing, he changes his play style, or we boot him. I would rather the middle option, but Likuidice is forcing us more towards the third option, while some people here would have us take the first. I’m not going to keep letting him spoil the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I usually ban item creation feats except scrolls and potions anyway. Personal choice. If players can make magic items then I don’t see the point of me including them in the game. Pick that apart of you wish, but its my opinion and nothing to do with the discussion at hand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But if I allow someone else those feats, who isn't going to use them to create the type of character that Likuidice is, thats favortism, and he would have a legitimate complaint. Having the power to say yes and no comes with the responsibility to use that wisely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never said that. As I have said early in this thread, he can RP very well when he sets his mind to it, and even his regular gaming face is good as far as I’m concerned. It was one of my players who expressed that opinion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No offence folks, but I am getting tired of repeating myself. How you guy’s play is fine for YOUR group. By sounds of it the typical 3.X game as played by folks on these boards is all well and good. But for YOUR groups, not ours. </p><p></p><p>The style of play that WE enjoy is not like that. We have this unwritten understanding brought about by over a decade of playing together we all understand, and in this instance Likudice is NOT fitting in. </p><p></p><p>And I’ll repeat myself again… the incidents that I am talking about are from the old campaign (3.0) not the current (3.5). However, my reason for posting was to try and sort something out before we get to that stage in this campaign. But all I end up doing is repeating myself, because it seems (and again no offence intended) that some posters are not reading what has been said before, and are rehashing the same old stuff.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope. True dragons only. And Likuidice knows this because he asked before he took the class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DragonLancer, post: 1574491, member: 11868"] Cryptic… Who do you think he is? A. I don’t really have any. Any house rules are always written up and given to the players before the characters are even drawn up, and are posted to the EGroup we use. B. I don’t roll in the open. Never have done. I keep my rolls separate from the players. I don’t fudge rolls or pretend I rolled a critical when I didn’t...etc. C. Same here. I have made a couple mistakes before, and in that regard Likuidice’s knowledge of the rules has been of great assistance. As much as I find rules lawyers annoying, I also find them useful when I can’t recall rules or we need something quick. D. Again, same here. All suitable feats, PrC’s, spells and relevant books are given out to players before characters are made, and are posted to our EGroup. On occasions when I buy a new book, something may be added to the list but its not often and I decide what is and isn’t added. Why does it? I assume you mean in favour of the other players? It is one of those things the group favours in their gaming. That’s up to group how that works, not for Likuidice to decide. I do see his side. I have never said otherwise. But what I have been saying is that myself and the rest of the players disagree with his view. We can see and understand where he is coming from, but we don’t like the type of game he wants to play. Agreed and agreed. But it is a play style issue and at the end of the day (and this is the important bit) if my other players stop sending me e-mails complaining or telling me the problems they have with him (and yes, they have raised these same issues to him during and after a few games), and instead stop playing… we’re out of a game. So either we leave it as is, and have him annoy the other players more and more until they stop playing, he changes his play style, or we boot him. I would rather the middle option, but Likuidice is forcing us more towards the third option, while some people here would have us take the first. I’m not going to keep letting him spoil the game. I usually ban item creation feats except scrolls and potions anyway. Personal choice. If players can make magic items then I don’t see the point of me including them in the game. Pick that apart of you wish, but its my opinion and nothing to do with the discussion at hand. But if I allow someone else those feats, who isn't going to use them to create the type of character that Likuidice is, thats favortism, and he would have a legitimate complaint. Having the power to say yes and no comes with the responsibility to use that wisely. I never said that. As I have said early in this thread, he can RP very well when he sets his mind to it, and even his regular gaming face is good as far as I’m concerned. It was one of my players who expressed that opinion. No offence folks, but I am getting tired of repeating myself. How you guy’s play is fine for YOUR group. By sounds of it the typical 3.X game as played by folks on these boards is all well and good. But for YOUR groups, not ours. The style of play that WE enjoy is not like that. We have this unwritten understanding brought about by over a decade of playing together we all understand, and in this instance Likudice is NOT fitting in. And I’ll repeat myself again… the incidents that I am talking about are from the old campaign (3.0) not the current (3.5). However, my reason for posting was to try and sort something out before we get to that stage in this campaign. But all I end up doing is repeating myself, because it seems (and again no offence intended) that some posters are not reading what has been said before, and are rehashing the same old stuff. Nope. True dragons only. And Likuidice knows this because he asked before he took the class. [/QUOTE]
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