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<blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 7628575" data-attributes="member: 6993955"><p>If we're talking 5e the declaration matters. Winking at the maiden is an action, but it isn't tagged with a desired result. Does it result in a die roll to determine effect? Who knows. The second example, in 5e, would be a declaration of intent and a roll at DM mandated DC would determine the truth of the statement. Does the wink soften her heart? Let's see... Now, in other game the player often has a lot more agency when it comes to the result. Different systems are designed to handle authorship of result differently, and I think a lot of systems fall somewhere in between the two extremes in the example.</p><p></p><p>I guess what I'm getting at is that intent and declaration matter a lot when it comes to result, and in systems like 5e, that's where player agency lies. In the wink example the player is deciding what a successful outcome will be, but that's not quite the same as deciding that the outcome is successful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fenris-77, post: 7628575, member: 6993955"] If we're talking 5e the declaration matters. Winking at the maiden is an action, but it isn't tagged with a desired result. Does it result in a die roll to determine effect? Who knows. The second example, in 5e, would be a declaration of intent and a roll at DM mandated DC would determine the truth of the statement. Does the wink soften her heart? Let's see... Now, in other game the player often has a lot more agency when it comes to the result. Different systems are designed to handle authorship of result differently, and I think a lot of systems fall somewhere in between the two extremes in the example. I guess what I'm getting at is that intent and declaration matter a lot when it comes to result, and in systems like 5e, that's where player agency lies. In the wink example the player is deciding what a successful outcome will be, but that's not quite the same as deciding that the outcome is successful. [/QUOTE]
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