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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7630907" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>The example of a NPC maiden softening a PC's heart with a wink came from you. So what system did <em>you</em> have in mind? I don't think the onus is on me to flesh out your example! If you think your example is underspecified then flesh it out yourself!</p><p></p><p>In the OP I put forward, as a description a PC's action, <em>I soften the heart of the maiden with a wink</em>. Systems I can think of where that is a permissible action declaration include Prince Valiant (probably a check on Presence + Glamourie; it might also be done by using a Storyteller's Certificate to Incite Lust as a special effect), Marvel Heroic RP/Cortex+ Heroic (a check intended to inflict a Complication, or perhaps Emotional or Mental Stress, depending on context and further elaboration), Maelstrom Storytelling (I think I got the example from a rulebook example of a Quick Take), 4th ed D&D if the table is in the right mood (it would be a CHA check, or in the right context perhaps a Bluff or even a Diplomacy check - 4e is not super-prescriptive in respect of what skills can be used to do what), even Burning Wheel or Rolemaster if the setting/genre is not too grim (a Seduction check). I can't remember the scope of Seduction in The Dying Earth but I wouldn't be surprised if it covers this sort of thing also.</p><p></p><p> [MENTION=29398]Lanefan[/MENTION] was the one who started a conversation about the reverse scenario, of a maiden softening a PC's heart with a wink. He didn't suggest any particular X as an action to be performed by the PC. As [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION] correctly noted, he only suggested an emotional response - the PC's hear is softened - and didn't further explore what that might mean for play.</p><p></p><p>Systems I can think of where something like this is possible I think I already mentioned: Prince Valiant (especially if the GM uses an Incite Lust special effect against a player's character); Marvel Heroic/Cortex+ Heroic (the situation of the PC is quite symmetrical to the NPC, and the cost of not going along with the softened heart is that the complication/stress will figure in the opposing dice pool - this is the same mechanic the system uses to adjudicate psychic mind control); The Dying Earth; Burning Wheel (the rules for NPC social skill use outside the context of a Duel of Wits are a bit thin, but as best I can tell it's intended to be a permissible thing); maybe others.</p><p></p><p>In 4e D&D, in an appropriate context, I would regard it as a permissible complication in the narration of a skill challenge. Whether that's intended or not is hard to tell - despite many printed pages the 4e rulebooks are incredibly weak in their account of permissible complications in narrating skill challenges!</p><p></p><p>As a late addition, I also think it should be possible (both ways - PC to NPC or vice versa) in HeroWars/Quest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7630907, member: 42582"] The example of a NPC maiden softening a PC's heart with a wink came from you. So what system did [I]you[/I] have in mind? I don't think the onus is on me to flesh out your example! If you think your example is underspecified then flesh it out yourself! In the OP I put forward, as a description a PC's action, [I]I soften the heart of the maiden with a wink[/I]. Systems I can think of where that is a permissible action declaration include Prince Valiant (probably a check on Presence + Glamourie; it might also be done by using a Storyteller's Certificate to Incite Lust as a special effect), Marvel Heroic RP/Cortex+ Heroic (a check intended to inflict a Complication, or perhaps Emotional or Mental Stress, depending on context and further elaboration), Maelstrom Storytelling (I think I got the example from a rulebook example of a Quick Take), 4th ed D&D if the table is in the right mood (it would be a CHA check, or in the right context perhaps a Bluff or even a Diplomacy check - 4e is not super-prescriptive in respect of what skills can be used to do what), even Burning Wheel or Rolemaster if the setting/genre is not too grim (a Seduction check). I can't remember the scope of Seduction in The Dying Earth but I wouldn't be surprised if it covers this sort of thing also. [MENTION=29398]Lanefan[/MENTION] was the one who started a conversation about the reverse scenario, of a maiden softening a PC's heart with a wink. He didn't suggest any particular X as an action to be performed by the PC. As [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION] correctly noted, he only suggested an emotional response - the PC's hear is softened - and didn't further explore what that might mean for play. Systems I can think of where something like this is possible I think I already mentioned: Prince Valiant (especially if the GM uses an Incite Lust special effect against a player's character); Marvel Heroic/Cortex+ Heroic (the situation of the PC is quite symmetrical to the NPC, and the cost of not going along with the softened heart is that the complication/stress will figure in the opposing dice pool - this is the same mechanic the system uses to adjudicate psychic mind control); The Dying Earth; Burning Wheel (the rules for NPC social skill use outside the context of a Duel of Wits are a bit thin, but as best I can tell it's intended to be a permissible thing); maybe others. In 4e D&D, in an appropriate context, I would regard it as a permissible complication in the narration of a skill challenge. Whether that's intended or not is hard to tell - despite many printed pages the 4e rulebooks are incredibly weak in their account of permissible complications in narrating skill challenges! As a late addition, I also think it should be possible (both ways - PC to NPC or vice versa) in HeroWars/Quest. [/QUOTE]
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