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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7630976" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Melting the PC's heart...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any and every system that results in something other than the player declaring the maiden's wink melted the PC's heart.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Weird that 2 sentences later that you know exactly what mandantory effect I was referring to. Why even ask your first question?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Strangely if you had read on through my post you'll see that I agree with this assessment and see the reason for why I agree with it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My take away is that this is explained in this post. Seriously try to take a post as a whole at some point instead of a line by line break down. It's frustrating when most everything you are saying has already been addressed somewhere in the post your single line quote is coming from.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm fine with both abilities. Now if you had tried to say, there was a lion and that the lions furious roar frightens you so badly that you are stunned and causes you a penalty to hit even after you've become unstunned….. that example is n par with the maidens winking example. </p><p></p><p>Apply the test I proposed at the end of this post to both examples and you'll get my exact thoughts on the matter. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It could reflect something about the emotional/mental response of the PC, but it need not. As such that aspect is for the player to determine.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Then I'd disagree with Gygax. The in-fiction meaning of a saving through is simply that you were able to avoid an affect. For any PC that could take on a variety of forms. Speed, sheer defiance, faith etc. You need not be a cleric to be shielded by faith. You need not be a fighter to overcome by sheer defiance. You need not be a thief to get out of the way fast enough. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, I already addressed that idea though...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or maybe it leaves it open for the player to roleplay how he avoided the magical effect...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've never seen mind-control in any of those as a sign of secret desire. Take starwars with obi wan and luke telling the guards "these are not the droids you are looking for". No desire or anything else, just pure mind control.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can't defend something from nothing. Someone is going to have to step up and be the champion for "that's not what truly sets RPG's apart".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I answered that in my previous post...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The maidens wink melting your heart takes away those things.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Sure he is. Presumably you would just be a puissant warrior that keeps getting knocked unconscious every fight. There's lots of explanations for how that can happen. </p><p></p><p>If what you are trying to get at is, why can't I roleplay a character that never loses at combat then I'd say you can. I would call that roleplaying but it wouldn't be an enjoyable game for me. To elaborate a bit more - such a concept wouldn't be a valid character concept under most game systems out there today, so in that sense you couldn't create that character for any of those games.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't understand this last sentence. It kind of runs together. I think my previous point probably answers the intent though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7630976, member: 6795602"] Melting the PC's heart... Any and every system that results in something other than the player declaring the maiden's wink melted the PC's heart. Weird that 2 sentences later that you know exactly what mandantory effect I was referring to. Why even ask your first question? Strangely if you had read on through my post you'll see that I agree with this assessment and see the reason for why I agree with it. My take away is that this is explained in this post. Seriously try to take a post as a whole at some point instead of a line by line break down. It's frustrating when most everything you are saying has already been addressed somewhere in the post your single line quote is coming from. I'm fine with both abilities. Now if you had tried to say, there was a lion and that the lions furious roar frightens you so badly that you are stunned and causes you a penalty to hit even after you've become unstunned….. that example is n par with the maidens winking example. Apply the test I proposed at the end of this post to both examples and you'll get my exact thoughts on the matter. It could reflect something about the emotional/mental response of the PC, but it need not. As such that aspect is for the player to determine. Then I'd disagree with Gygax. The in-fiction meaning of a saving through is simply that you were able to avoid an affect. For any PC that could take on a variety of forms. Speed, sheer defiance, faith etc. You need not be a cleric to be shielded by faith. You need not be a fighter to overcome by sheer defiance. You need not be a thief to get out of the way fast enough. Sure, I already addressed that idea though... Or maybe it leaves it open for the player to roleplay how he avoided the magical effect... I've never seen mind-control in any of those as a sign of secret desire. Take starwars with obi wan and luke telling the guards "these are not the droids you are looking for". No desire or anything else, just pure mind control. Can't defend something from nothing. Someone is going to have to step up and be the champion for "that's not what truly sets RPG's apart". I answered that in my previous post... The maidens wink melting your heart takes away those things. Sure he is. Presumably you would just be a puissant warrior that keeps getting knocked unconscious every fight. There's lots of explanations for how that can happen. If what you are trying to get at is, why can't I roleplay a character that never loses at combat then I'd say you can. I would call that roleplaying but it wouldn't be an enjoyable game for me. To elaborate a bit more - such a concept wouldn't be a valid character concept under most game systems out there today, so in that sense you couldn't create that character for any of those games. I don't understand this last sentence. It kind of runs together. I think my previous point probably answers the intent though. [/QUOTE]
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