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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7631098" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>Well all systems have flaws and are subject to abuse of one kind or another. My point is that the Flaws in 5E are flawed because it’s purely incentive based to have a player actually roleplay the Flaw in any meaningful way. If he does so, he gets Inspiration. That’s it. So no matter what else comes up, no matter how closely it may fit the character’s Flaw (or Traits, Bond, or Ideals, really) the player can always simply ignore it, and all that happens is he is not awarded Inspiration.</p><p></p><p>As a system designed to inspire roleplay, this seems very limited to me. Yes, some players will “play in good faith” as you describe it and they’ll embrace their Flaws and all the complications they may bring. Others won’t. Does that mean they’re “playing in bad faith”? I don’t know. It’s certainly not cheating given the rules as presented....but it seems a bit weaselly to me. “I’ll only acknowledge this drawback if I feel like it”....just doesn’t really do it for me. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think I’ve clarified now....It was just a joke to prove my point. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well the thing is the wink scenario was broadly presented, and with no specific system in mind. So I’ve been trying to discuss it in that broad kind of “any game” context, assuming relevant mechanics. The specific outcome was also not established, and I think that and other relevant fictional factors would have a part to play. </p><p></p><p>I wouldn’t assume a wink would have the effect of a charm spell.....seems extreme. I think I gave an example not long ago of the winking maiden then asking the PC to help kill the king being unlikely, but to buy her a meal seems perfectly reasonable.</p><p></p><p>However, this would really all depend on the system in place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7631098, member: 6785785"] Well all systems have flaws and are subject to abuse of one kind or another. My point is that the Flaws in 5E are flawed because it’s purely incentive based to have a player actually roleplay the Flaw in any meaningful way. If he does so, he gets Inspiration. That’s it. So no matter what else comes up, no matter how closely it may fit the character’s Flaw (or Traits, Bond, or Ideals, really) the player can always simply ignore it, and all that happens is he is not awarded Inspiration. As a system designed to inspire roleplay, this seems very limited to me. Yes, some players will “play in good faith” as you describe it and they’ll embrace their Flaws and all the complications they may bring. Others won’t. Does that mean they’re “playing in bad faith”? I don’t know. It’s certainly not cheating given the rules as presented....but it seems a bit weaselly to me. “I’ll only acknowledge this drawback if I feel like it”....just doesn’t really do it for me. I think I’ve clarified now....It was just a joke to prove my point. Well the thing is the wink scenario was broadly presented, and with no specific system in mind. So I’ve been trying to discuss it in that broad kind of “any game” context, assuming relevant mechanics. The specific outcome was also not established, and I think that and other relevant fictional factors would have a part to play. I wouldn’t assume a wink would have the effect of a charm spell.....seems extreme. I think I gave an example not long ago of the winking maiden then asking the PC to help kill the king being unlikely, but to buy her a meal seems perfectly reasonable. However, this would really all depend on the system in place. [/QUOTE]
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