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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7641449" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>I disagree, insofar as this is stated as if someone is dictatorially declaiming all the details and results. Really, *EVERYBODY* gets to decide how things should go.</p><p></p><p>The idea that somehow, the play goes forward with *nobody having any influence* on how it goes would be... nonsensical and counterfactual. It files in the face of how, for example, the GM generally decides what the antagonists are, and what themes to introduce when they put up complications, and such. The GM has huge say in the way things go. So, while they may not determine all results, if someone is going to claim that somehow the GM has no influence on the path of the game, we can just stop now.</p><p></p><p>So, what we are really talking is a continuum of influence on the path of the game, raging from "zero" to "I am just writing a novel by myself". And any particular game will have some admixture of influences among the participants. We are quibbling over where the dial sits, but stating it in absolute terms of "all or nothing", which, as far as I am concerned, gets in the way of understanding.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7641449, member: 177"] I disagree, insofar as this is stated as if someone is dictatorially declaiming all the details and results. Really, *EVERYBODY* gets to decide how things should go. The idea that somehow, the play goes forward with *nobody having any influence* on how it goes would be... nonsensical and counterfactual. It files in the face of how, for example, the GM generally decides what the antagonists are, and what themes to introduce when they put up complications, and such. The GM has huge say in the way things go. So, while they may not determine all results, if someone is going to claim that somehow the GM has no influence on the path of the game, we can just stop now. So, what we are really talking is a continuum of influence on the path of the game, raging from "zero" to "I am just writing a novel by myself". And any particular game will have some admixture of influences among the participants. We are quibbling over where the dial sits, but stating it in absolute terms of "all or nothing", which, as far as I am concerned, gets in the way of understanding. [/QUOTE]
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