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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7643534" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>And in part he could do that because both he in his mind and the readers in theirs could and did assume that those off-camera parts of the fiction happened in a consistent manner with the parts actually written out in the book. We know how Orcs fight because we're given examples of it at various times in their dealings with the Fellowship's assorted members, and can extrapolate from there.</p><p></p><p>Put another way, the setting is consistent enough that were someone to stat out and run the battle between Orcs at Cirith Ungol the result would be - on average - consisent with running a battle between some other Orcs somewhere else, or (as written in the book) between the Orcs and the Fellowship at Rauros Falls.</p><p></p><p>This strikes me as the equivalent of standing twenty feet back from a window and saying that the only thing that matters is what you can see through that window right this minute; and further that just because we can see elements x and y through that window we can't extrapolate anything further. This is somewhat ridiculous: we know damn well there's a great big world out there beyond the tiny bit that's shown through that window, and it's only logical to assume it largely functions exactly the same as the little bit we can see.</p><p></p><p>It's the whole "if a tree falls in the forest but nobody hears it, does it make a sound" question. (and yes it does, by the way <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> )</p><p>Yes, and doing that with any integrity either requires an assumption that off-camera things work the same as on-camera, or a clear statement going in that things work differently off-camera thus implying the setting is not consistent with itself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7643534, member: 29398"] And in part he could do that because both he in his mind and the readers in theirs could and did assume that those off-camera parts of the fiction happened in a consistent manner with the parts actually written out in the book. We know how Orcs fight because we're given examples of it at various times in their dealings with the Fellowship's assorted members, and can extrapolate from there. Put another way, the setting is consistent enough that were someone to stat out and run the battle between Orcs at Cirith Ungol the result would be - on average - consisent with running a battle between some other Orcs somewhere else, or (as written in the book) between the Orcs and the Fellowship at Rauros Falls. This strikes me as the equivalent of standing twenty feet back from a window and saying that the only thing that matters is what you can see through that window right this minute; and further that just because we can see elements x and y through that window we can't extrapolate anything further. This is somewhat ridiculous: we know damn well there's a great big world out there beyond the tiny bit that's shown through that window, and it's only logical to assume it largely functions exactly the same as the little bit we can see. It's the whole "if a tree falls in the forest but nobody hears it, does it make a sound" question. (and yes it does, by the way :) ) Yes, and doing that with any integrity either requires an assumption that off-camera things work the same as on-camera, or a clear statement going in that things work differently off-camera thus implying the setting is not consistent with itself. [/QUOTE]
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