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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahglock" data-source="post: 3856542" data-attributes="member: 56725">So what meaning is found in the game when you are full attack splatted in one round? Is it the method of death, the death, the lack of meaning in death that makes it bad?I think there needs to be some change since in 3/3.5 e save or dies were just the best way to attack in the game.  You had a high chance of success at ending the fight  in one action, that is fairly insane.  I don't like the idea of just removing them though, spells like polymorph, sleep,flesh to stone, or less cool to me but even true save or dies like finger of death are great spells that would be a crime to remove.  If you remove all save or dies you  minds as well just say I hit them with a magic attack for X damage every round.  Because the I used fire this round instead of lighting wow factor will wear off quickly.  Personally I'd like them to switch all save or dies to something like the power word kill system but with a save/attack roll vs the correct defense on top of the must have less than X HP system.  That way if balanced right save or dies don't end the fight in the first action, they end the fight 1 round earlier than they would of otherwise if successful and 1 round later if they fail.So how many people who are voting against save or diesAre against all PC death?Are against save or Dies no matter how they are changed?Are just against save or dies because of how they are currently implemented?</blockquote>

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