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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RFisher" data-source="post: 3860740" data-attributes="member: 3608">I apologize. I don't have time to completely catch up on this thread, but there's a couple of additional points I wanted to make...I not even familiar with Death Ward. From what I've gathered in this discussion, it is one way to avoid saving throws, but it's not even one that I'd come up with. To me, avoiding making a saving throw (whether vs. death or not) is the whole point of saving throws.It's like those tire spikes they use in some places. The spikes aren't intended to puncture anyone's tire. They're intended to cause people to avoid driving through a certain area in a certain direction.But that's not a standard situation in my groups. We seldom go busting open a door with 20 cultists behind it without having a clue that there might be 20 cultists behind it.Why? Because one way to avoid making saving throws is to not bust open doors without having a good idea what might be behind it. If we are going to open a door without a clue what might be behind it, were going to be as prepared-for-anything as possible & do it as stealthily as possible.In an effort not to spoil anything, I'll merely mention the movie Serenity. Not that I really think that has much bearing on this discussion.</blockquote>