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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3874026" data-attributes="member: 18280">I don't currently have the Search feature, but last time we had this discussion, I pointed out to you that you yourself posted a problem with EL, specifically that the EL guidelines would have us believe that enough low-powered enemies are equal to our mid-to-high level PCs.  That is certainly not a case where the CR system works as advertised, or where if you use a standard party you will get the results predicted by the CR/EL system.The ogre is a case in example where WotC changed the CR because they discovered that the CR system did not work as advertised.  Their guess was wrong.  Any system that works on the basis of designer guesswork is bound to not work as advertised, a fair percentage of times.I have posted in the past about the superiority of the ML system from 1e; glad to know that WotC apparently agrees -- 4e is much closer (based on WotC statements) to 1e than 3e in this case.  Apparently, they realized that CR/EL worked better in theory than in practice.RC</blockquote>