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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 5185034" data-attributes="member: 64209"><p>Horror, done well, requires that players WANT to be scared....</p><p> </p><p>...just like one can only hypnotize someone who WANTS to be hypnotized.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Ravenloft done well requires players who want horror. Ravenloft done campy is "thriller fantasy". Ravenloft done punitively is "dm fiat pwning players".</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Horror is HARD to do well. Horror done without engagement on either the part of the DM or ALL the players is not horror...it's slasher/whiny emo/camp/dm fiat pwning/d&d without rules/gothic fantasy...or any number of other things.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>To the OP... your multiple posts show that you are not a "lamewad punitive dm"....I get that you want to challenge your players...that the cockyness is a problem because they crave challenge... BUT your reasoning I do take exception with. Their cockiness has NOTHING to do with the need or desire for a genre change.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I'll say that again, as it's my most important point...I see how you want to quell their cockiness and "put them in their place"...a place of heroes, but not unbeatable heroes. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A GENRE CHANGE.</p><p> </p><p>So, if for ENTIRELY SEPARATE REASONS you want to engage in Ravenloft storytelling, by all means...but if it's to keelhaul them? No. As several posters before me have said, you can easily keelhaul them within the genre you and they have (perhaps quite inovertly) socially contracterd to play within.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 5185034, member: 64209"] Horror, done well, requires that players WANT to be scared.... ...just like one can only hypnotize someone who WANTS to be hypnotized. Ravenloft done well requires players who want horror. Ravenloft done campy is "thriller fantasy". Ravenloft done punitively is "dm fiat pwning players". Horror is HARD to do well. Horror done without engagement on either the part of the DM or ALL the players is not horror...it's slasher/whiny emo/camp/dm fiat pwning/d&d without rules/gothic fantasy...or any number of other things. To the OP... your multiple posts show that you are not a "lamewad punitive dm"....I get that you want to challenge your players...that the cockyness is a problem because they crave challenge... BUT your reasoning I do take exception with. Their cockiness has NOTHING to do with the need or desire for a genre change. I'll say that again, as it's my most important point...I see how you want to quell their cockiness and "put them in their place"...a place of heroes, but not unbeatable heroes. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A GENRE CHANGE. So, if for ENTIRELY SEPARATE REASONS you want to engage in Ravenloft storytelling, by all means...but if it's to keelhaul them? No. As several posters before me have said, you can easily keelhaul them within the genre you and they have (perhaps quite inovertly) socially contracterd to play within. [/QUOTE]
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