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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6342715" data-attributes="member: 18">Can you show me some math to back this assertion up? I mean, I admit I may be being dumb and missing something! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It looks like you have to be 11th level to do that, drop one of your two attacks, which are likely Prof+(STR or DEX)+Magic bonus to hit and 1d8 or higher +Prof+(STR or DEX)+Magic bonus to damage, let's lowball and say 18 stat, +1 1d8 magic weapon. So +9 to hit, 1d8+9 damage.Panther is +7 to hit, 1d6+4 damage, causes KD, then +7 to hit, 1d6+6 damage. Let's assume AC20 for a tough single target enemy.No-feature Ranger is thus 50% chance to hit each w/two attacks averaging 4.5+9 damage, so 13.5 DPRBeastie is 50% chance with one, so 6.75 + 40% chance of 3.5+4 = 3 + 40% chance of 3.5+6 = 3.8 so DPR = 13.55!0.05 gain in DPR for Beastie, w/a 40% chance of KD.However in any situation where Volley applies, a Hunter is waaaay ahead. Also if any of his other features apply (i.e. 1d6 to damaged targets, double prof to hit large, etc.)...</blockquote>