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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5287664" data-attributes="member: 463">Re Turtleing - I think sometimes players in a regular old school-Gygaxian campaign get burned by bad choices a couple times, and start acting like they're in Tomb of Horrors when really it's Village of Hommlet.The thing is, the Gygaxian approach imposes harsh choices for mistakes (harsher than I personally like), but it's not a screw-you approach, it's a problem-solver approach which rewards clever analysis, logic and creative solutions.  If you have weak analysis skills, or just don't like problem-solving (and as a player I generally don't, not puzzle type problems anyway) then it can seem indistinguishable from an arbitrary death trap.On a related note, I have a player in my online campaign who is enthusiastic, not a turtle, but seems to have terrible analysis skills.  When I set the threat level high enough to challenge other PCs, his die.  Worse, he thought it was a good idea to steal from the party, causing friction IC and OOC. It doesn't seem at all malevolent, he's just not the wisest cookie in the sage's cookie barrel.  I'd like to keep him as a player but I'm not sure how to without coddling that might rightfully annoy the other players.</blockquote>