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<blockquote data-quote="RickTheFox" data-source="post: 8271519" data-attributes="member: 7030761"><p>I have a question from a players perspective...</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Background -</strong></p><p>I am a young noble wizard, very reasonable, very polite, help if I can but I do not cry when I cant kind of guy. The wizard, being noble but poor, is <strong>trying hard to build a reputation among foreign nobility and start business</strong> with mead and so on. The one fault this character has is he pays back what he gets, often many-fold. You help him? He helps you. You give him something he needs worth 10 gp? He gives you easily something you need worth 100 gp later. But why is this a fault? Because if you betray him, attack him, or harm him (or his wife, another PC) he can become your worst nightmare, working hard and silently to undo you. In the character sheet, there is literally "polite, patient, <strong>VENGEFUL"</strong> with all caps.</p><p></p><p>In the game, this created a few funny scenarios - an accomplished wizard NPC insulted me (deeply and it was uncalled for), so I smiled, bowed my head and left. Planned it. Took my time, so no connection could be made. And I broke into his house, drugged him to sleep and put him in his bed, changed my appearance to look like him and went partying like mad, insulting people wearing his face, damaging his reputation heavily and then disappearing without a trace, leaving empty bottles by his side and locking the house from the inside. It also created a few dark moments - some humanoid monsters attacked me, so I burned their whole village down (I think kids included).</p><p></p><p>This is still a low level game, around 5 lvl (9 months of gaming or so), and our party is not very well established (no strong bonds between characters, they worked together out of immediate need only).</p><p></p><p><strong>The problem -</strong></p><p>For some reason, our party got mind-shuffled - my mind is in someone elses body and another member of the party has my body (not swapped, shuffled). The PC who has my wizards body is normally a female rogue. Now she wants to go to a noble and important ball in my male noble body (with hard-worked-for reputation) dressed in revealing womens clothes and apples in bra and totally ridicule me. The PCs argued about it, but she would not be stopped, persuaded, or prevented from going.</p><p></p><p>As a Player, I think it is out of character of her rogue and I do not get it even though she is chaotic, but I agree that it is kinda hilarious. However, as a PC... this is a direct attack at me, aimed to destroy my image, my reputation, my business dealings. It will ridicule me among noble cirlces - no one will take me seriously in that town ever again. It is also a great insult, and worse - coming from a friendly party member without any provocation, it is certainly a<strong> hard-felt betrayal.</strong></p><p></p><p>So, I believe this could only result in my wizard smiling, working hard to get my body back, and then hiring some thugs to kill her after giving her poisoned wine. As a player, I can not think of any reason for my PC not to do it, or of anything else my PC would do. I think she (player) does not expect it, and it would come as a great surprise to her, but my PC is a sneaky noble after all (with hardly any direct damage spell, I play utility mostly) and I do not want to give her a chance to meta-out-of-it. I did give her hints and fore-warnings though (pc-pc). Almost begged her (player-player) not to do it.</p><p></p><p>I feel my hand is forced and I can only react to what she is doing, in a very consistent and predictable response I have demonstrated in the game many times over. Not reacting with vengeance would not make sense given the PC I have.</p><p></p><p>So let me ask you guys... What should I do?<strong> Do you think player-kill is justified in this case?</strong> How should I do it (never done it, suggestions?) </p><p></p><p><strong>Or... am I the bad guy?</strong> (understand a jerk and a bad player). Write soon, next session approaching. Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RickTheFox, post: 8271519, member: 7030761"] I have a question from a players perspective... [B] Background -[/B] I am a young noble wizard, very reasonable, very polite, help if I can but I do not cry when I cant kind of guy. The wizard, being noble but poor, is [B]trying hard to build a reputation among foreign nobility and start business[/B] with mead and so on. The one fault this character has is he pays back what he gets, often many-fold. You help him? He helps you. You give him something he needs worth 10 gp? He gives you easily something you need worth 100 gp later. But why is this a fault? Because if you betray him, attack him, or harm him (or his wife, another PC) he can become your worst nightmare, working hard and silently to undo you. In the character sheet, there is literally "polite, patient, [B]VENGEFUL"[/B] with all caps. In the game, this created a few funny scenarios - an accomplished wizard NPC insulted me (deeply and it was uncalled for), so I smiled, bowed my head and left. Planned it. Took my time, so no connection could be made. And I broke into his house, drugged him to sleep and put him in his bed, changed my appearance to look like him and went partying like mad, insulting people wearing his face, damaging his reputation heavily and then disappearing without a trace, leaving empty bottles by his side and locking the house from the inside. It also created a few dark moments - some humanoid monsters attacked me, so I burned their whole village down (I think kids included). This is still a low level game, around 5 lvl (9 months of gaming or so), and our party is not very well established (no strong bonds between characters, they worked together out of immediate need only). [B]The problem -[/B] For some reason, our party got mind-shuffled - my mind is in someone elses body and another member of the party has my body (not swapped, shuffled). The PC who has my wizards body is normally a female rogue. Now she wants to go to a noble and important ball in my male noble body (with hard-worked-for reputation) dressed in revealing womens clothes and apples in bra and totally ridicule me. The PCs argued about it, but she would not be stopped, persuaded, or prevented from going. As a Player, I think it is out of character of her rogue and I do not get it even though she is chaotic, but I agree that it is kinda hilarious. However, as a PC... this is a direct attack at me, aimed to destroy my image, my reputation, my business dealings. It will ridicule me among noble cirlces - no one will take me seriously in that town ever again. It is also a great insult, and worse - coming from a friendly party member without any provocation, it is certainly a[B] hard-felt betrayal.[/B] So, I believe this could only result in my wizard smiling, working hard to get my body back, and then hiring some thugs to kill her after giving her poisoned wine. As a player, I can not think of any reason for my PC not to do it, or of anything else my PC would do. I think she (player) does not expect it, and it would come as a great surprise to her, but my PC is a sneaky noble after all (with hardly any direct damage spell, I play utility mostly) and I do not want to give her a chance to meta-out-of-it. I did give her hints and fore-warnings though (pc-pc). Almost begged her (player-player) not to do it. I feel my hand is forced and I can only react to what she is doing, in a very consistent and predictable response I have demonstrated in the game many times over. Not reacting with vengeance would not make sense given the PC I have. So let me ask you guys... What should I do?[B] Do you think player-kill is justified in this case?[/B] How should I do it (never done it, suggestions?) [B]Or... am I the bad guy?[/B] (understand a jerk and a bad player). Write soon, next session approaching. Thanks. [/QUOTE]
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