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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RickTheFox" data-source="post: 8272290" data-attributes="member: 7030761">- I would call a person that never starts a fight but always finishes them neutral. A person that chooses diplomacy and avoids killing or stealing if possible. A person that help when they can, is polite and respectful, is hardly evil in my opinion. But even if my PC is evil in your book based on the choices I make, so what? If you know someone in your party is potentially evil, you do not spit in his face just to piss them off, assuming they are minding their business and harming the party or their goals in any way.- I think murder today is a different thing, morally, than in D&D or in medieval time, where life had morally speaking much smaller value. In a world where monsters attack and bandits are behind every corner, and nobles kill each other over titles and estates, where thief loses hand for stealing a purse, morality is much darker. Is murder a good deed? No. Is it reasonable response in such a world under such circumstances ? Well that is what I am asking.- So you are saying that my PC was building his business, was working hard to get to high circles of aristocracy for months and my roleplay is based on reputation and charisma (with motive being vengeance), and there is no difference between calling him a goat-lover publicly and stealing his identity and impersonating him at the highest public event, wearing transparent women clothes and apples in bra? You see no difference between an insult and a destroyed reputation? Seriously?- IRL situation would be a female acquaintance (not a close friend, the PCs are not very bonded) accusing you of rape and faking some evidence and pressing charges and going public with it. Just for the lolz. What would be your response, even if you were found innocent? People quite often move away from that town, or commit a suicide because their reputation is ruined. These things have consequences. In D&D my wizard is not one to commit a suicide but rather a murder, and moving away from the town would not solve the problem as the wizard is a high-profile person whose repuation carries over. Either way, I doubt my wizard in D&D or you IRL would continue to cooperate with said acquaintance in either case.- Thank you for understanding where I am coming from. Murder today is different matter than murder in D&D world, justice-wise and morally-wise. Never good, but different.- As to the proportionality, my wizard has been working hard to establish himself as an aristocrat and builds business. The rogue, meanwhile, has a reputation of a common thug. Owns nothing, wants nothing, has no reputation to protect. There is nothing I can do, proportionally, that I can think of. That is why I am here - to ask what I should do. Any ideas are welcome. My wizard is not evil, I think. He does good where he can and tries to help, but his goal and story is vengeance against his family. He tries to get that through political and economical means - that is why he has been trying to establish himself and gain power in another town. And all that ruined by a "supposed" friend for no reason at all.- I am going to talk it over with my DM for sure, but first I wanted some input from you guys here. So far I get feedback that my PC and his reputation are inconsequential and do not matter and other PCs can stamp over months of effort as they please. And if he wants to fight back as is in his well-known character, he is the evil guy and I am the bad player for following through. Mind that if my wizard does not feel he got "justice" done, he would never -ever- cooperate with said rogue again. I see absolutely no way of why and how he would want to be in a party with her. Even if they catch her in time, she still attempted it. Now, attempt does not warrant kill in my wizards books, but it was still a betrayal and he would not cooperate without seeing some hard justice.- I checked with detect magic, insight and perception, nothing wrong with her. Just a player decision. I explained it would be a hard, unreasonable and uncalled-for hit at my wizard. Does not care.- The wizard there is the least shady character, we do not have a righteous paladin. The wizard is actually the closes thing to that we have... And I doubt other characters would be able to investigate and to link my wizard to the murder. Or have enough influence and evidence so it would stand in court. The problem is, either way it is probably game over. I need to react - I can leave her be and never cooperate again, move to a different city and start again. Party broken with me out. I can kill her or mutilate her - party broken with her out, possibly with others grouping on me and disposing of me with court of sword, so with me out as well. What can I do to prevent it, without Deus ex Machina?And you mentioned the PC who is evil should be out. Well, is my wizard really the evil character here? Or did she start the pvp? True, she did not steal from me, or hurt me directly. But the loss of face and business opportunity will amount to huge loses of gold. And huge amounts of wasted time and resources put into building it. Who is really the bad guy here? The way I see it, there are two somewhat bad guys at a clash, but it is not my wizard who started it and should not be to blame.</blockquote>

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