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<blockquote data-quote="RickTheFox" data-source="post: 8274405" data-attributes="member: 7030761"><p>Guys... are you for real?</p><p></p><p>I came here because in my game I see a potential party-braking problem I need to react to somehow. In a way that is fun, consistent with character and world, and allows us to play together.</p><p></p><p>Most of your comments here are not solutions or advice, they are just doubting the premise or doubting me. Either you say the issue is IRL and not at the game (I told you it is purely in-game), or you say the issue is not an issue at all and is completely fine (I told you it is a major betrayal, in-game party breaking at the very least), or that it would be reasonable for the character to forgive and forgot an go on merrily (I told you it is not a possibility at all). And you say the character should not be even there (well he is). <strong>That is the premise given and that is what we should work with.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>You do not know the world, the game, the settings, the players, the characters. And because you do not know all these things, you will have to take my word for it.</strong></p><p>So please, kindly, instead of commenting on my "insecurities" or practically calling me a liar, do <strong>focus on solving the problem with given parameters instead of doubting and arguing the parameters. </strong>(because that would make much sense, coming here asking for advice anonymously and lying in the process because my mind is set anyway, wasting hours of my time and yours).</p><p></p><p><strong>I got advice I did not like one bit, but I took it. </strong>The advice was mostly this</p><p></p><p>0 - talk to the player, talk to the DM to solve the in game issue, or rule out IRL issue</p><p>1 - do not play with that party if they are jerks</p><p>2- do not PC kill no matter what, for if there is no IRL issue now, there would be after the PC kill</p><p>3 - the wizard is a bad character and should not be there in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So I started by saying I already did No. 0. As you advised. And what I got as a feedback from you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know, ph0rk you ph0rk. It was literally your advice (and most obvious one!) to talk to her. I had already done that in the first place. And you do not cede the point, on the contrary, you say I screwed that up, escalating the situation. By talking to her, pointing out the consequences and reminding her of the character and history of my PC, and her going through with it anyway. And you paint me as the bad guy who does not care about the party or other players. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Advice 1 was ruled out, I do want to continue if possible.</p><p></p><p>So that leaves me with 2 & 3. I took both of these advice. And to remove the "bad and poor" character that "does not play well with others" and to avoid PC kill, I decided to give the wizard to the DM, making him a villain of the story. It was not an easy choice, I really liked the wizard and enjoyed playing him. But hey, you guys here have more experience and I took your advice, hoping it would smooth things over, stay reasonably consistent and be fun in the end.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And what I get after taking the advice from you guys here? This thrown in my face, that I wanted to do it all along and I am creating problems. Again doubting the premise given that it is a major in game betrayal, not something silly. I did not create the in game issue. I am trying to solve it in a manner that would enable us to continue playing together. And here we go, calling me a liar with no offense added (that makes it all better) and saying this is what I wanted all along, to create problems, and I am the bad player overreacting. Well how nice.</p><p></p><p>Some guys here are very confused to say the least. I am done with this conversation.</p><p></p><p>(Thanks Lanefan and Dire Bare and some others for being both helpful and open minded and for some cool insight)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RickTheFox, post: 8274405, member: 7030761"] Guys... are you for real? I came here because in my game I see a potential party-braking problem I need to react to somehow. In a way that is fun, consistent with character and world, and allows us to play together. Most of your comments here are not solutions or advice, they are just doubting the premise or doubting me. Either you say the issue is IRL and not at the game (I told you it is purely in-game), or you say the issue is not an issue at all and is completely fine (I told you it is a major betrayal, in-game party breaking at the very least), or that it would be reasonable for the character to forgive and forgot an go on merrily (I told you it is not a possibility at all). And you say the character should not be even there (well he is). [B]That is the premise given and that is what we should work with. You do not know the world, the game, the settings, the players, the characters. And because you do not know all these things, you will have to take my word for it.[/B] So please, kindly, instead of commenting on my "insecurities" or practically calling me a liar, do [B]focus on solving the problem with given parameters instead of doubting and arguing the parameters. [/B](because that would make much sense, coming here asking for advice anonymously and lying in the process because my mind is set anyway, wasting hours of my time and yours). [B]I got advice I did not like one bit, but I took it. [/B]The advice was mostly this 0 - talk to the player, talk to the DM to solve the in game issue, or rule out IRL issue 1 - do not play with that party if they are jerks 2- do not PC kill no matter what, for if there is no IRL issue now, there would be after the PC kill 3 - the wizard is a bad character and should not be there in the first place. So I started by saying I already did No. 0. As you advised. And what I got as a feedback from you? You know, ph0rk you ph0rk. It was literally your advice (and most obvious one!) to talk to her. I had already done that in the first place. And you do not cede the point, on the contrary, you say I screwed that up, escalating the situation. By talking to her, pointing out the consequences and reminding her of the character and history of my PC, and her going through with it anyway. And you paint me as the bad guy who does not care about the party or other players. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU... Advice 1 was ruled out, I do want to continue if possible. So that leaves me with 2 & 3. I took both of these advice. And to remove the "bad and poor" character that "does not play well with others" and to avoid PC kill, I decided to give the wizard to the DM, making him a villain of the story. It was not an easy choice, I really liked the wizard and enjoyed playing him. But hey, you guys here have more experience and I took your advice, hoping it would smooth things over, stay reasonably consistent and be fun in the end. And what I get after taking the advice from you guys here? This thrown in my face, that I wanted to do it all along and I am creating problems. Again doubting the premise given that it is a major in game betrayal, not something silly. I did not create the in game issue. I am trying to solve it in a manner that would enable us to continue playing together. And here we go, calling me a liar with no offense added (that makes it all better) and saying this is what I wanted all along, to create problems, and I am the bad player overreacting. Well how nice. Some guys here are very confused to say the least. I am done with this conversation. (Thanks Lanefan and Dire Bare and some others for being both helpful and open minded and for some cool insight) [/QUOTE]
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