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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7792408" data-attributes="member: 97077">Yes, but at least to some degree it means &quot;you didn't accomplish what you set out to accomplish.&quot; Or, if the DM sometimes uses progress combined with a setback after the die indicates failure, you get what you want at a cost. I'm definitely not suggesting all consequences need be punitive. From a player's perspective though, I think it a reasonable conclusion to say that, in general, players will tend to want to accomplish what they set out to accomplish more often than not. Asking to roll is not the best way to go about that in my view.Yes, that can be true - but that can happen whether the player asks to roll or not. It's just that the player asking to roll (and the DM usually or always saying &quot;Yes&quot;) will mean by some non-zero measure that outcome will be more common. Every time I have explained this to players, the light bulb over their heads switch on as they realize the odds of success are largely in their control.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7792408, member: 97077"] Yes, but at least to some degree it means "you didn't accomplish what you set out to accomplish." Or, if the DM sometimes uses progress combined with a setback after the die indicates failure, you get what you want at a cost. I'm definitely not suggesting all consequences need be punitive. From a player's perspective though, I think it a reasonable conclusion to say that, in general, players will tend to want to accomplish what they set out to accomplish more often than not. Asking to roll is not the best way to go about that in my view. Yes, that can be true - but that can happen whether the player asks to roll or not. It's just that the player asking to roll (and the DM usually or always saying "Yes") will mean by some non-zero measure that outcome will be more common. Every time I have explained this to players, the light bulb over their heads switch on as they realize the odds of success are largely in [I]their [/I]control. [/QUOTE]

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