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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7792964" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh, now that's a bit different isn't it?  Insight is supposed to tell me whether someone is being deceitful or not.  I mean, it's right there in the description of the skill.  "Searching out a lie" isn't something I'm making up.  Now, since folks here have been pretty adamant about following the rules of 5e with this whole approach/goal thing, I'm getting a bit of a mixed message here.  [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER] has repeated ad nauseum that he wants his method to hew as close to the rules of 5e as possible and anyone doing anything else is setting up a situation where the game will not deliver it's promised results.  That's been established multiple times.So,  you can see where my confusion lies.  I'm trying to use the 5e rules but, now I'm being told that the 5e rules only apply sometimes?  Otherwise, I'm just gaming the DM - I have to watch you, and your performance, to see if I think that the NPC is lying.  The fact that I'm playing Sherlock Holmes with feats and stats to boost my Insight into the stratosphere apparently don't matter, since, it's impossible in your game to leverage the mechanics in this way.Which, IMO, just leads to players eschewing the skill system altogether in favor of using spells.  Why bother with insight when we can just use Zone of Truth or Detect Thoughts?  100% guaranteed to work, and I don't have to play guess the mechanics.</blockquote>

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