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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7794684" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Yep, I like the general concept of goal and approach.&nbsp; I even like the rewarding of auto success or auto failure for particularaly good or bad approaches.&nbsp; All that seems good and fair.Where I depart is the idea that some approaches and goals are too vague.&nbsp; That some gameplay elements work better using methods other than strict goal and approach.&nbsp; That for some elements you may just want to roll dice to establish the outcome because the minute details of the approach and their effect on the outcome may vary a lot from one person to another.There's plenty of examples of where the goal and approach framework can break down.&nbsp; But it's also a very good framework in the cases it works.For example:&nbsp; you are falling.&nbsp; &quot;I try to turn my body so that I am rolling with I hit the ground&quot;.&nbsp; To me that is a goal and approach.&nbsp; In this case the goal is implicit because I understand that a person rolling when they hit the ground is a method of lessening the impact of a fall.&nbsp; Perhaps the DM doesn't understand that.&nbsp; In which case he may ask what's your goal.&nbsp; Likely because it's so obvious to me I won't have a clue how to answer him and I would feel like i'm being a jerk by simply saying to lessen the impact of the fall.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7794684, member: 6795602"] Yep, I like the general concept of goal and approach. I even like the rewarding of auto success or auto failure for particularaly good or bad approaches. All that seems good and fair. Where I depart is the idea that some approaches and goals are too vague. That some gameplay elements work better using methods other than strict goal and approach. That for some elements you may just want to roll dice to establish the outcome because the minute details of the approach and their effect on the outcome may vary a lot from one person to another. There's plenty of examples of where the goal and approach framework can break down. But it's also a very good framework in the cases it works. For example: you are falling. "I try to turn my body so that I am rolling with I hit the ground". To me that is a goal and approach. In this case the goal is implicit because I understand that a person rolling when they hit the ground is a method of lessening the impact of a fall. Perhaps the DM doesn't understand that. In which case he may ask what's your goal. Likely because it's so obvious to me I won't have a clue how to answer him and I would feel like i'm being a jerk by simply saying to lessen the impact of the fall. [/QUOTE]

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