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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7794889" data-attributes="member: 22779">Hey, would this be the first threadlock since the new site opened up?&nbsp; I almost feel honored.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />But, yeah, sorry, let myself get sucked down into things too much and I would actually like to apologize to everyone in the thread for my poor behavior.&nbsp; I should certainly know better and it's far better to simply walk away.----That said, [USER=6801286]@Imaculata[/USER], I'd point something out here.&nbsp; The climb DC is 15 and the use Rope is 10 or 12.&nbsp; Now, again, I'm presuming fairly low level PC's, where these checks aren't automatically successful.&nbsp; Adding the second check almost doubles the chance of failure.&nbsp; Presuming a 50:50 shot on the climb check, even with a 75% chance of success on the use rope, the chances of failure are very, very high. Again, this gets back to my point about DM's not judging odds very well.&nbsp; Would you send an encounter at your PC's where there is a 75% chance of killing a&nbsp; PC?&nbsp; By and large, no.&nbsp; ((I'm presuming falling to the rocks below would kill the PC's)&nbsp; We generally never send encounters that difficult at the party.&nbsp; Frankly, I'm not sure why this wouldn't count as an auto-success.&nbsp; It's not any different than using a ladder to cross that pit trap or lifting the rug to find the door.&nbsp; Shouldn't this be an automatic success?&nbsp; They narrated taking steps (using safety ropes) to climb down.&nbsp; Why did they then have a fairly significant chance of failure?&nbsp; Isn't this the opposite of how this is supposed to work?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7794889, member: 22779"] Hey, would this be the first threadlock since the new site opened up? I almost feel honored. :D But, yeah, sorry, let myself get sucked down into things too much and I would actually like to apologize to everyone in the thread for my poor behavior. I should certainly know better and it's far better to simply walk away. ---- That said, [USER=6801286]@Imaculata[/USER], I'd point something out here. The climb DC is 15 and the use Rope is 10 or 12. Now, again, I'm presuming fairly low level PC's, where these checks aren't automatically successful. Adding the second check almost doubles the chance of failure. Presuming a 50:50 shot on the climb check, even with a 75% chance of success on the use rope, the chances of failure are very, very high. Again, this gets back to my point about DM's not judging odds very well. Would you send an encounter at your PC's where there is a 75% chance of killing a PC? By and large, no. ((I'm presuming falling to the rocks below would kill the PC's) We generally never send encounters that difficult at the party. Frankly, I'm not sure why this wouldn't count as an auto-success. It's not any different than using a ladder to cross that pit trap or lifting the rug to find the door. Shouldn't this be an automatic success? They narrated taking steps (using safety ropes) to climb down. Why did they then have a fairly significant chance of failure? Isn't this the opposite of how this is supposed to work? [/QUOTE]

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