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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 5610015" data-attributes="member: 55966">[MENTION=463]S'mon[/MENTION], I suspect you are more lenient that I am in providing both hiding places to rest and providing opportunities to retreat.  I'm a real hardass about it.  If people fight in one room, people do hear it in the next room.  Monsters do check on the various factions in the dungeon, and do patrols.Generally, without teleportation, a secret room only known to a boss monster, or rope trick, it is very difficult to rest in my dungeons.   You cannot clear a level and rest there, you cannot close and lock a door and rest in an active dungeon.  Was I always this way?  No, but 4e's healing surge mechanic allowed me to be this hard and still allow the game to continue.Often times dice are fickle, and it is very easy to go from full resources to very depleted with a few bad rolls, especially when save or die is involved.  Without some way of magically restoring health or disability, it is impossible predict when the players will fall short of resources.Skill has nothing to do with it if you suffer a poison attack that saps your strength score and you have no way of neutralizing the poison or restoring strength.  Skill has nothing to do with it if you fail a saving throw against finger of death and the party cleric is dead.  Skill has nothing to do with it if the DM has a hot streak and destroys far more hit points than the cleric can restore.So you need a way to overcome chance.  Some people find it more realistic to have magic to restore hp or disability, and find it "videogamey" to have the heroes shake it off.  I myself don't really see it.Also, I find that if the DM makes it impossible for the party to extract themselves from a situation that bad dice rolls have gotten them into, I'm pretty sure more often than not that DM is going to be replaced.  A DM who puts the rules system before the fun of his players is a poor DM in my books.</blockquote>

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