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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 5610029" data-attributes="member: 55966">[MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION] Actually, I'm not the DM in the 3e game, and I am indeed more likely to put my foot down than this DM.  However, I would generally think that most DM's and Players are amateurs at playing D&D and generally are more relaxed about it than you or the previous poster who is an arrow bard.  If this is a place where the amateur players get tripped up, it is probably a bad rule.  I also think you might find a minute to be longer than it is.  Take this 3e exchange, speak it aloud, and count yourself on a clock.DM: Dave, your turn.Dave: Okay, I cast fireball on those three minotaurs in the back of the room.DM: Okay... I think you can get them all.  What is your save DC?Dave: 18.DM: Fail, fail, success.Dave: Okay, they take..... *roll 6d6 and count up the numbers* damage.DM: So half damage would be....Dave: *x amount of damage* damage for the minotaur who saved.DM: Okay, Leonard you're next.If you roll the dice and say the words, giving a reasonable amount of time for human pauses and comprehension, you'll find that is about a minute long.  That's for a simple fireball hitting a few targets.  This doesn't count spells that take longer like figuring out buffing or draining levels or ability scores.  This doesn't count a 30 second debate about positioning (which even in your efficient players are going to have once and awhile) or figuring out exactly where the area effect spell falls (which 4e sped up immensely with square cube spell effects).</blockquote>

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