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<blockquote data-quote="Pentius" data-source="post: 5610647" data-attributes="member: 6676736">I'm fairly sure I understand Ferratus here(jump in and correct me if I'm wrong)and these deaths you've mentioned simply aren't what he's talking about.&nbsp; &quot;My character fell in the course of action to a worthy foe.&quot; isn't throwing it away.&nbsp; On the other hand, &quot;We were tapping every inch of the ground before us with a 10' pole, as per usual, and triggered a trap that dropped acid on the entire corridor.&nbsp; My character failed his save.&quot; is.&nbsp; So is, &quot;I was listening at the door, as per usual, and Bam!&nbsp; Ear Seekers.&nbsp; Character dead.&quot;Character death in epic circumstances is fine.&nbsp; Save or Die effects aren't generally limited to epic opponents, though.&nbsp; Especially in AD&amp;D, you could be pushed into save or die pretty much anytime the DM wanted, from anything from a truly epic adversary, to your breakfast.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pentius, post: 5610647, member: 6676736"] I'm fairly sure I understand Ferratus here(jump in and correct me if I'm wrong) and these deaths you've mentioned simply aren't what he's talking about. "My character fell in the course of action to a worthy foe." isn't throwing it away. On the other hand, "We were tapping every inch of the ground before us with a 10' pole, as per usual, and triggered a trap that dropped acid on the entire corridor. My character failed his save." is. So is, "I was listening at the door, as per usual, and Bam! Ear Seekers. Character dead." Character death in epic circumstances is fine. Save or Die effects aren't generally limited to epic opponents, though. Especially in AD&D, you could be pushed into save or die pretty much anytime the DM wanted, from anything from a truly epic adversary, to your breakfast. [/QUOTE]

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