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Message: <blockquote data-quote="niteshade6" data-source="post: 721729" data-attributes="member: 10320">"They'd be poor suggestions if they were for someone playing an archer Fighter or Ranger... But in this case, he needs to worry about doing other things besides just dealing damage. There's no point in playing a Bard if you're going to neglect spellcasting and skills for the sake of combat effectiveness."Giving yourself a good strength does not mean you are neglecting spell casting and skilils. It just means that you are not negelcting combat. There is absolutely no point in playing a bard if you neglect combat. You can still have perfectly good spellcasting and skill abilities. Having a 10 stregnth prevents you from being at all effective in combat (without major magic bonuses or weapons with elemental damage)."As for the whole Str/Dex issue... Sorry, but suggesting that a bard with 18 Str and 10 Dex would be better off than one with 10 Str and 18 Dex is just silly. With his low BAB, it'd completely cripple his ability to actually hit something... A good Dex, masterwork bows and arrows, Point Blank Shot and Weapon Focus let archers get their to hit bonus up so high they practically never miss, "Well it might help here if you actualy do the math. Take two different bards. They are both level 3, with point blank, rapid shot, and masterwork mighty bows. They are both shooting at an enemy with an ac of 15 from more then 30' away. One has a 18 strength and a 10 dex, and the other has a reverse. I was exagerating to say the 18 str bard will do almost double, but you will find his damage output is significantly better. If you actualy do the math you might surprise yourself. Underestimating the importance of strength is one of the worst mistakes you ever see in archers, or new players. Of course it's even better to assign a good score to strength and dex. For example if this character was going to be an archer, he should probably have a 17 strength, 14 dex, and 15 cha. Although if you expected to get regular bull strengths from a  cleric you could make an argument for putting the 14 into strength instead, since it does not help to have a strength higher then 18 with a bow .</blockquote>

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