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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4206775" data-attributes="member: 35909">@Darklone: Why is it so important to take Warblade 1 as the first level?&nbsp; Being able to swift inspire courage ASAP?&nbsp; Or the maximized d12 HD?&nbsp; Personally, the combination of bard skill spoints and list still makes it much etter for starting (even though warblade has only 2 less per level, the skill list is much worse, and first level is where you get to jump up 4 ranks in class skills, without paying dearly for it).&nbsp; Also, martial adept levels are better to enter at levels 5, 9, etc... (to start right out able to take maneuvers of level 2, 3, etc...).&nbsp; Crusader, if you can handle the annoyance, might also be better for a bard.&nbsp; Unless there's anything in TC or IH that you particularly want.&nbsp; For an archer, the two biggies would probably be Sudden Leap and IH Surge, both requiring you to have another maneuver first.&nbsp; Too bad none of the maneuvers you can use to meet those requirements are useful at all to an archer.@Artoomis: Whip-daggers weren't available?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4206775, member: 35909"] @Darklone: Why is it so important to take Warblade 1 as the first level? Being able to swift inspire courage ASAP? Or the maximized d12 HD? Personally, the combination of bard skill spoints and list still makes it much etter for starting (even though warblade has only 2 less per level, the skill list is much worse, and first level is where you get to jump up 4 ranks in class skills, without paying dearly for it). Also, martial adept levels are better to enter at levels 5, 9, etc... (to start right out able to take maneuvers of level 2, 3, etc...). Crusader, if you can handle the annoyance, might also be better for a bard. Unless there's anything in TC or IH that you particularly want. For an archer, the two biggies would probably be Sudden Leap and IH Surge, both requiring you to have another maneuver first. Too bad none of the maneuvers you can use to meet those requirements are useful at all to an archer. @Artoomis: Whip-daggers weren't available? [/QUOTE]

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