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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 4851844" data-attributes="member: 63763">In terms of the "clumsy fighter", I actually played out completely unintentionally. Basically it was 2e, the first D&D game I ever played (that led to it's own fun ... the smile on the DM's face when no one even THOUGHT about keeping watch the first night, lol). I was an elf who was a fight theif. My strength and dexterity were 18's [forget the percentile for the strength, but it was pretty high]. My one liability was a very low wisdom. This became an issue as I stumbled upon an intelligent artifact that would only be usable by me. It was a +5 longsword called Screamer ... that didn't want to fight. So, to MAKE it fight, I had to roll under my wisdom. As a result, I would often be tossing my sword away in the middle of fights. On top of that, I managed to charge into the mouth of a dinosaur AND have a giant fall on me after chopping one of his legs off, amongst other non-Screamer related clumsiness. On top of that, my elf who was very distrusting of humans was able to get a few close human friends .... who all met untimely ends. His first friend was an mage ... who lost an arm to some undead. The second was a ranger, beaten to death by a stone golem. He even encountered a paladin who helped save his life with a timely lay on hands ... only to be IMMEDIATELY captured and killed by harpies. The guy had a pretty traumatic life. I've had a few "weak willed" characters [and they've often been in possession of an item that influences them as a result], and I had a very fun "moron" character as an Orc Crusader (who was suprisingly charismatic for a orc ... albeit dumb as a post and extremely naive). Presumably, no one would want to adventure with someone that isn't good at anything, but huge gaping flaws can be overlooked as long as they still have something to contribute.  I had a friend who would play characters that were massive liabilities, and it had nothing to do with stats <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ... he was just the kind of guy that HAS to pull just one more card out of the deck (of many things ... or any other really). One confrontation with a thieves guild as we were passing through town ended up with us summoning a vampire lord AND a beholder. As we were running away, he actually wanted to look back to see what was happening. While he didn't get killed by their gaze attacks, there were many a side quest involved in getting him out of trouble ...</blockquote>

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