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<blockquote data-quote="outsider" data-source="post: 4855420" data-attributes="member: 54690">I guess I'm a dice jock then, because I think that in a team game like D&amp;D, everybody should be doing their best to contribute to the team.A level 1 AD&amp;D mage is different.&nbsp; It's only useless in the short term.&nbsp; Short term pain for long term gain.&nbsp; The character will one day be the most potent part of the party.&nbsp; The player is trying to contribute, he just has to get through 4 levels of suck first.A character that's built by somebody that doesn't really understand how to build a good character is different.&nbsp; Again, the player is trying his best to contribute, but is held back.&nbsp; I'd never give this player grief about having a weak character.&nbsp; I'd give them advice on building a stronger one if they wanted it, but I wouldn't push it.The problem comes when somebody just decides &quot;hey, I don't really want to contribute to the success of the group&quot;.&nbsp; This tends to be extremely selfish.&nbsp; I've never seen anybody ask the group if they are okay with having a useless character in the group.&nbsp; They just do it, without any thought on how it will affect the rest of the group.&nbsp; I've also never seen the player of a useless character take a smaller share of the xp/loot due to their lack of contribution to earning said xp/loot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="outsider, post: 4855420, member: 54690"] I guess I'm a dice jock then, because I think that in a team game like D&D, everybody should be doing their best to contribute to the team. A level 1 AD&D mage is different. It's only useless in the short term. Short term pain for long term gain. The character will one day be the most potent part of the party. The player is trying to contribute, he just has to get through 4 levels of suck first. A character that's built by somebody that doesn't really understand how to build a good character is different. Again, the player is trying his best to contribute, but is held back. I'd never give this player grief about having a weak character. I'd give them advice on building a stronger one if they wanted it, but I wouldn't push it. The problem comes when somebody just decides "hey, I don't really want to contribute to the success of the group". This tends to be extremely selfish. I've never seen anybody ask the group if they are okay with having a useless character in the group. They just do it, without any thought on how it will affect the rest of the group. I've also never seen the player of a useless character take a smaller share of the xp/loot due to their lack of contribution to earning said xp/loot. [/QUOTE]

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