Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Playing Like Celebrim - The Explorer Class
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5439104" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>The Explorer class has its origins in the Mariner class from Dragon #107. The Mariner class was a somewhat narrow class which in many ways has the same flaws as a modern PrC. It wasn't truly worthy of a PC class, but back before non-weapon proficiencies, skill systems, and feats, D&D didn't really have a way to generate a profession without creating a completely new class. However, the Mariner did, by virtue of having some useful skills that PC classes could get access to in no other way, like many other Dragon published classes of the time lend itself to being a 'henchmen class'. You might not want to be one, but you were happy to have one as a retainer.</p><p></p><p>The Mariner was therefore incorporated into my DM worldview through exposure to another DM's ocean going campaign, and thereafter when I created pirates, guides, sailors, and the like I imagined them not as fighters but as mariners. When 3e rolled around, and I started to convert the way I viewed NPCs over to the new system, I found that the peg occupied by Mariner had no correponding niche in the new system. They were somewhat like experts, but they had the full BAB progression of fighters. However, there just wasn't a skillful full BAB progession base class, either NPC or PC. The closest you could get to that was Ranger, but clearly every pirate out there wasn't a Ranger with all the flavor baggage that entailed. So, I created the 'Explorer' class to be an NPC class that would fill the niche.</p><p></p><p>Gradually, as NPC classes tend to do in order to keep up with the PC's and provide a real challenge, the Explorer began to evolve into more and more compotent of a class, and I eventually ended up realizing that the missing niche of a balanced 'adventurer' class that was skillful in and out of combat was missing from the player's options as well. At that point, I decided to open up the Explorer as a full PC class.</p><p></p><p>The resulting class is by experience quite capable under my rule set, and is an excellent dip with pretty much any other martial class. I suspect however that 3.5 players - used to the power of stock Druids, Clerics, and Wizards and martial classes quickly forking off into 2 PrC's to keep up will be underwhelmed by the power level presented. Likewise, I suspect that a person familiar with stock 3.X is going to think that this class steps to much on the ranger's toes, so keep in mind that I have no Rangers in the game. If you are worried about whether this class can keep up at higher levels than 9th or so compared to for example the existing example of the Champion class I've provided, then we are closer to the same page.</p><p></p><p>But, as with the rest of these threads, the central question is, "Is this a tier 4 class?". And, if it doesn't make the tier 4 cut, what would be necessary to get there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5439104, member: 4937"] The Explorer class has its origins in the Mariner class from Dragon #107. The Mariner class was a somewhat narrow class which in many ways has the same flaws as a modern PrC. It wasn't truly worthy of a PC class, but back before non-weapon proficiencies, skill systems, and feats, D&D didn't really have a way to generate a profession without creating a completely new class. However, the Mariner did, by virtue of having some useful skills that PC classes could get access to in no other way, like many other Dragon published classes of the time lend itself to being a 'henchmen class'. You might not want to be one, but you were happy to have one as a retainer. The Mariner was therefore incorporated into my DM worldview through exposure to another DM's ocean going campaign, and thereafter when I created pirates, guides, sailors, and the like I imagined them not as fighters but as mariners. When 3e rolled around, and I started to convert the way I viewed NPCs over to the new system, I found that the peg occupied by Mariner had no correponding niche in the new system. They were somewhat like experts, but they had the full BAB progression of fighters. However, there just wasn't a skillful full BAB progession base class, either NPC or PC. The closest you could get to that was Ranger, but clearly every pirate out there wasn't a Ranger with all the flavor baggage that entailed. So, I created the 'Explorer' class to be an NPC class that would fill the niche. Gradually, as NPC classes tend to do in order to keep up with the PC's and provide a real challenge, the Explorer began to evolve into more and more compotent of a class, and I eventually ended up realizing that the missing niche of a balanced 'adventurer' class that was skillful in and out of combat was missing from the player's options as well. At that point, I decided to open up the Explorer as a full PC class. The resulting class is by experience quite capable under my rule set, and is an excellent dip with pretty much any other martial class. I suspect however that 3.5 players - used to the power of stock Druids, Clerics, and Wizards and martial classes quickly forking off into 2 PrC's to keep up will be underwhelmed by the power level presented. Likewise, I suspect that a person familiar with stock 3.X is going to think that this class steps to much on the ranger's toes, so keep in mind that I have no Rangers in the game. If you are worried about whether this class can keep up at higher levels than 9th or so compared to for example the existing example of the Champion class I've provided, then we are closer to the same page. But, as with the rest of these threads, the central question is, "Is this a tier 4 class?". And, if it doesn't make the tier 4 cut, what would be necessary to get there? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Playing Like Celebrim - The Explorer Class
Top