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<blockquote data-quote="Mournblade94" data-source="post: 7939588" data-attributes="member: 74608">That was it though.&nbsp; IT was not made for the fans and that was kind of Ed Greenwood's point.&nbsp; Why not just make a new Campaign setting (Which 4e realms virtually was)?&nbsp; Instead it caused a huge rift among the fans and was a major contributor to the edition wars.&nbsp; What 4e Realms told me was:&nbsp; THis new rules system won't work for your campaign so you should start a new one.&nbsp; The old fans were left behind, and the rules system suffered for it.Well I didn't. didn't touch a product after the 4e realms guide. I just switched to Pathfinder and gave feedback that I wanted the old realms back.&nbsp; 5e got rid of enough 4e things to satisfy me, and the 5e realms pretty much made it so that the spellplague history was barely there.&nbsp; They did that, so I came back.3rd edition ended with 3 adventures leading up to the spellplague.&nbsp; Anauroch being the last.&nbsp; Basically if your players were successful you would have prevented Shar's plans.&nbsp; The writers did exactly what Ed Greenwood said you shouldn't do and just wrote the spellplague anyway.&nbsp; Who cares what the PC&quot;s Did?&nbsp; They just wrote it as a failure.Richard Baker (one of the decision makers) on his blog wrote it was one of 4e's biggest missteps.&nbsp; I still follow Richard Baker and one of the reasons I play ESO is because he and many of the old 2nd edition Forgotten Realms people work on Elder SCrolls online currently.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mournblade94, post: 7939588, member: 74608"] That was it though. IT was not made for the fans and that was kind of Ed Greenwood's point. Why not just make a new Campaign setting (Which 4e realms virtually was)? Instead it caused a huge rift among the fans and was a major contributor to the edition wars. What 4e Realms told me was: THis new rules system won't work for your campaign so you should start a new one. The old fans were left behind, and the rules system suffered for it. Well I didn't. didn't touch a product after the 4e realms guide. I just switched to Pathfinder and gave feedback that I wanted the old realms back. 5e got rid of enough 4e things to satisfy me, and the 5e realms pretty much made it so that the spellplague history was barely there. They did that, so I came back. 3rd edition ended with 3 adventures leading up to the spellplague. Anauroch being the last. Basically if your players were successful you would have prevented Shar's plans. The writers did exactly what Ed Greenwood said you shouldn't do and just wrote the spellplague anyway. Who cares what the PC"s Did? They just wrote it as a failure. Richard Baker (one of the decision makers) on his blog wrote it was one of 4e's biggest missteps. I still follow Richard Baker and one of the reasons I play ESO is because he and many of the old 2nd edition Forgotten Realms people work on Elder SCrolls online currently. [/QUOTE]

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