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<blockquote data-quote="aco175" data-source="post: 8910700" data-attributes="member: 27385">5e changed some of the cleric schtick in that there are bonus action healing spells, that allow clerics to do something and heal where needed.&nbsp; Kind of like how 3e allowed you to take spells other than healing and convert them if needed.&nbsp; 5e tries to make cleric a healer and allow you to do other things like fireball or such.&nbsp; When your party only has 4-5 people filling roles, you want to fill them with people who can do their job.&nbsp; The problem is that in the game we have players and characters.&nbsp; Everyone wants to let players play to PC they want to play instead of having the leader of the party sitting at the tavern and interview characters for the mission.&nbsp; &quot;Hi, I'm Bob the 4th, and I'm putting a band together to raid the goblin tombs.&quot;&quot;I'm Pyrro the fire cleric.&nbsp; I do not cast healing and like to cast area fire spells.&quot;&quot;We already have a fire mage that has all the fire spells.&quot;&quot;But, I'm a cleric.&quot;So we let the player play the PC they made to have fun for everyone and then hope/blame the DM for not adjusting or giving out more healing or places to rest.&nbsp; Then the player tells the others to spend their 4th level feat to take the one that lets you cast a single 1st level spell if you want more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aco175, post: 8910700, member: 27385"] 5e changed some of the cleric schtick in that there are bonus action healing spells, that allow clerics to do something and heal where needed. Kind of like how 3e allowed you to take spells other than healing and convert them if needed. 5e tries to make cleric a healer and allow you to do other things like fireball or such. When your party only has 4-5 people filling roles, you want to fill them with people who can do their job. The problem is that in the game we have players and characters. Everyone wants to let players play to PC they want to play instead of having the leader of the party sitting at the tavern and interview characters for the mission. "Hi, I'm Bob the 4th, and I'm putting a band together to raid the goblin tombs." "I'm Pyrro the fire cleric. I do not cast healing and like to cast area fire spells." "We already have a fire mage that has all the fire spells." "But, I'm a cleric." So we let the player play the PC they made to have fun for everyone and then hope/blame the DM for not adjusting or giving out more healing or places to rest. Then the player tells the others to spend their 4th level feat to take the one that lets you cast a single 1st level spell if you want more. [/QUOTE]

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