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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8916852" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I can cooperate without taking heqling spells.The question is why do I have to heal, not why do Ihave to cooperate.Yes, so if as one of the players at the table I decide that the 4 spells I metioned (LTH, Catnap, Fly and SWD) are &quot;necessary&quot;.&nbsp; Then you have to take those 4.&nbsp; You can't get Fireball, even though you are an evocation wizard, because if you do you are being selfish and not cooperating.Not true.&nbsp; The Wizard class includes ASIs where you can select a feat.&nbsp; That is part of the class, and those feats include the ability to get healing.&nbsp; Wizards cannot divest themselves of the ability to get healing spells.&nbsp; It is actually part of the class unless you are at one of the very rare tables that do not allow feats.Now you can choose not to take a feat that enables healing, just like I can choose not to prepare spells that do not enable healing, but in either case it is a choice not to get healing spells when they are available.I won't stop repeating this argument, because it gets to the central tenant of my issue - you expect the Cleric to heal, but you do not expect other classes, all of which have access to healing, to heal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8916852, member: 7030563"] I can cooperate without taking heqling spells. The question is why do I have to heal, not why do Ihave to cooperate. Yes, so if as one of the players at the table I decide that the 4 spells I metioned (LTH, Catnap, Fly and SWD) are "necessary". Then you have to take those 4. You can't get Fireball, even though you are an evocation wizard, because if you do you are being selfish and not cooperating. Not true. The Wizard class includes ASIs where you can select a feat. That is part of the class, and those feats include the ability to get healing. Wizards cannot divest themselves of the ability to get healing spells. It is actually part of the class unless you are at one of the very rare tables that do not allow feats. Now you can choose not to take a feat that enables healing, just like I can choose not to prepare spells that do not enable healing, but in either case it is a choice not to get healing spells when they are available. I won't stop repeating this argument, because it gets to the central tenant of my issue - you expect the Cleric to heal, but you do not expect other classes, all of which have access to healing, to heal. [/QUOTE]

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