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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 7037866" data-source="post: 9579612">Gotcha. I don't see &quot;modern DnD's mechanics&quot; leading to a world that also has plenty of magic-- IMO that is still a setting/ preference issue. However, I agree 5E does not lend itself to low-magic-type games in general.Sure, pretty much 5th-level spells are about the pinnacle of power I want: raise dead, wall of force, teleportation (forget &quot;circle&quot;), but you can stretch it to even 11th level and allow a single 6th-level spell for PCs such as disintegrate or something. 11th-level also allows for Extra Attack (2), for example. Finally, stretching it to E12 gives you a final feat if you want it.That is part of the importance of E6/9/12 even-- real threats as they are in 5E can still be very real threats! A CR 21 Lich or CR 20+ ancient dragon is something the PCs can't likely just take on. They will need something: a McGuffin, more &quot;heroes&quot;, great tactics, etc. The PCs don't have tons of HP to just stand toe-to-toe with such threats.It is part of the beauty of the concept, really.Yep, but good ones. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 7037866, post: 9579612"] Gotcha. I don't see "modern DnD's mechanics" leading to a world that also has plenty of magic-- IMO that is still a setting/ preference issue. However, I agree 5E does not lend itself to low-magic-type games in general. Sure, pretty much 5th-level spells are about the pinnacle of power I want: raise dead, wall of force, teleportation (forget "circle"), but you can stretch it to even 11th level and allow a [I]single[/I] 6th-level spell for PCs such as [I]disintegrate[/I] or something. 11th-level also allows for Extra Attack (2), for example. Finally, stretching it to E12 gives you a final feat if you want it. That is part of the importance of E6/9/12 even-- real threats as they are in 5E can still be very real threats! A CR 21 Lich or CR 20+ ancient dragon is something the PCs can't likely just take on. They will need something: a McGuffin, more "heroes", great tactics, etc. The PCs don't have tons of HP to just stand toe-to-toe with such threats. It is part of the beauty of the concept, really. Yep, but good ones. :) [/QUOTE]

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