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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8496672" data-attributes="member: 7032025">I probably read then before you were even born, and there was no such optimisation since you rolled your stats anyway, so what was there to optimise there ? So no, optimisation was not expected, since there was NOTHING to optimise. Today, unless people cheat at dice or use very &quot;personal&quot; methods (because, for some reason, all their dice rolling only produces stats awy over the average), all the optimisation is from point-buy anyway.The main difference is that I can prove it, through the designers' intent. Pray tell, how do you optimise if you don't even read all the rules ? Now prove to me, from any rulebook in any edition that the designers expect you to optimise to play the game. I'll be waiting.I don't forbid you to optimise, but please don't tell me how to play my game, or look down your nose at people not optimising.That is a simple lie, prove it. HOWEVER, I've never seen a powergamer pick anything else than a good race/class combo, thereby forbidding himself to explore 90% of the game possibilities, which I find stupid (especially when it's along the lines of &quot;whine whine, the game does not have enough possibilities&quot;). That is a completely different thing.I've never said that they are playing it wrong, if you read my posts, but YOU ARE THE ONE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT I'M PLAYING IT WRONG FOR NOT OPTIMISING, or telling me that it's not even worth discussing not optimising, since it's obviously so much an inferior way of gaming.By the way, I'm not expecting you to be happy, but I'm at least expecting you to real the rules of the game, all of it, before discussing it seriously. And these rules, all over the place, just tell you not to bother seriously about the rules, that it's not what is best about the game, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8496672, member: 7032025"] I probably read then before you were even born, and there was no such optimisation since you rolled your stats anyway, so what was there to optimise there ? So no, optimisation was not expected, since there was NOTHING to optimise. Today, unless people cheat at dice or use very "personal" methods (because, for some reason, all their dice rolling only produces stats awy over the average), all the optimisation is from point-buy anyway. The main difference is that I can prove it, through the designers' intent. Pray tell, how do you optimise if you don't even read all the rules ? Now prove to me, from any rulebook in any edition that the designers expect you to optimise to play the game. I'll be waiting. I don't forbid you to optimise, but please don't tell me how to play my game, or look down your nose at people not optimising. That is a simple lie, prove it. HOWEVER, I've never seen a powergamer pick anything else than a good race/class combo, thereby forbidding himself to explore 90% of the game possibilities, which I find stupid (especially when it's along the lines of "whine whine, the game does not have enough possibilities"). That is a completely different thing. I've never said that they are playing it wrong, if you read my posts, but YOU ARE THE ONE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT I'M PLAYING IT WRONG FOR NOT OPTIMISING, or telling me that it's not even worth discussing not optimising, since it's obviously so much an inferior way of gaming. By the way, I'm not expecting you to be happy, but I'm at least expecting you to real the rules of the game, all of it, before discussing it seriously. And these rules, all over the place, just tell you not to bother seriously about the rules, that it's not what is best about the game, etc. [/QUOTE]

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